why is p40b so under powered?

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by beet1e
Gabreski didn't think much of the P40.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52406

A lot of the PTO USAAC pilots thought otherwise.  Other than the P-38, the P-40 was flown by more USAAC aces than the P-47 and P-51.


ack-ack

[lasersailor184]

I worry more when I see a P40 than an La7.  Or in fact, any other plane for that matter.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
I worry more when I see a P40 than an La7.  Or in fact, any other plane for that matter.

LOL! You're kidding, right?

When I posted that Gabreski thread, way back in 2003, I predicted that the hoopla was out of all proportion to the actual impact that the P40 would have on the MA. Sure enough, from when it was introduced to the time I hung up my flying helmet, I was killed only three times by a P40.

The thing is - and as someone else said further up - the P40 might have been a good/OK plane when it was deployed in the early stages of the war, but in an MA full of 1945 ubermonsters, it was totally outclassed.

[Morpheus]

It may be outclassed at speeds of the 1945 rides. But get it into a turn fight and it can hang with 90% of the spits and Niks in the MA. I'm talking a turn fight when you use every ounce of flaps...

When you learn to use its stall characteristics it can be a very effective turn fighter.

Its also a good plane to scrub up on your E fighting. When you screw up in a P40... Well, you know you screwed up. Your dead.

[Mitsu]

poor 1000hp engine and heavy weight do it.
The Ki-61 has the same issue.

[thrila]

so does the mossie:)

[lasersailor184]

Beet1e, I'm not kidding.  When I see an La7, 99 times out of 100 there's a skilless hack in there.  While I might burn energy like crazy, he can't touch me.  By the time I get on his six, he's running.


When I see an p40, 99 times out of 100, there's a really good pilot in there.  He wouldn't pick it unless he knew what he was doing.  That p40 can not be touched except for the few that are better pilots anyway (or dumb luck).

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Beet1e, I'm not kidding.  When I see an La7, 99 times out of 100 there's a skilless hack in there.  

Yes! Zanth was once talking about this, and his sentence went something like "...unless the LA7 pilot is a complete idiot. Granted, there's a 50/50 chance of that". I thought it was so funny I had it in my sig. for a while. All I can say is, by the time I left, there were a hell of a lot of skilless hacks in the MA.

Originally posted by lasersailor184
When I see an p40, 99 times out of 100, there's a really good pilot in there.  He wouldn't pick it unless he knew what he was doing.  That p40 can not be touched except for the few that are better pilots anyway (or dumb luck).

Oh! Well I should feel gratified that my career total against the B finished at 18/1 and against the E finished at 15/2 - not that I flew the Big5 uberset myself, mind you.

[frank3]

All the Axis aircraft were GARBAGE! Here's my proof, the Axis powers LOST THE WAR!

I'm sure this wasn't due to bad aircraft but due to the lack of numbers.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by lasersailor184

When I see an p40, 99 times out of 100, there's a really good pilot in there.  He wouldn't pick it unless he knew what he was doing.  That p40 can not be touched except for the few that are better pilots anyway (or dumb luck).

I find the P40 jocks usually come in two catagories.

the VERY good
Or
The VERY bad

When going up against one your usually saying "oh chit"
Or your laughing your arse off

[mars01]

LOL! You're kidding, right?

When I posted that Gabreski thread, way back in 2003, I predicted that the hoopla was out of all proportion to the actual impact that the P40 would have on the MA. Sure enough, from when it was introduced to the time I hung up my flying helmet, I was killed only three times by a P40.

The thing is - and as someone else said further up - the P40 might have been a good/OK plane when it was deployed in the early stages of the war, but in an MA full of 1945 ubermonsters, it was totally outclassed.

HOly crap!! Look what scragy thing the cat dragged in, quick HT close the thread before he comes back for good.  LOLH.  

Hey beet, it's been a while , how you been bud.

[mars01]

I find the P40 jocks usually come in two catagories.

the VERY good
Or
The VERY bad

When going up against one your usually saying "oh chit"
Or your laughing your arse off

HEHEHEH LOLH, yep like Redheads, they are either drop dead beautiful or, well you know.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by mars01
HOly crap!! Look what scragy thing the cat dragged in, quick HT close the thread before he comes back for good.  LOLH.  

Hey beet, it's been a while , how you been bud.

ROFL! I'm doing OK.

Coming to the US next month, but not your bit. Looks like I'll be eating grits and drinking beer from long neck bottles.

[syncrII]

Originally posted by grunch
The P-40B was. . .
40 mph faster than the AM6-2 (21) Zero.  
50 mph faster than the Hyabusa, or Ki-43.
70 mph faster than the fixed gear I-96.
195 mph faster than the cruise speed of the Ki-21 Sally.
130 mph faster in a dive than any Japanese fighter.
3 times the roll rate of the Zero.
P-40 was 5 mph faster than the Me 109 E-3 at 15,000 feet
P-40 was 9 mph  faster than the Spitefire Mk.IA at 15,000 feet
The P-40 could out turn the Me. 109 E-3, and could out dive it.
The P-40 was not the dog that everyone seem to think it was.

fact i found reading about the p40b

were is the problem? i think we can find these facts in AH too.

cu chris3

[CAP1]

""All the Axis aircraft were GARBAGE!!!! In case any of you missed it on the history channel, here's my proof, the Axis powers LOST THE WAR! ""

The axis powers lost the war because they were outnumbered....not due to lack of technology. Who had the first operational jets in combat? who had the first helicopters? who had the first fuel injected aircraft engines? who had the first guided missles? the axis powers..or more exactly..the germans. If i remember right, the 109's were injected, giving a decided advantage in combat. i believe they also had self deploying leading edge flaps? they used jets for recon in 39, and 40 i believe...and of course the 262...which had they used them a year earlier would've been really bad. I can't remember where, but i think i remember reading somewhere that the fw190 was actually equal to the mustang.......had the luftwaffe still had enough veteran pilots to fly em. V1, V2...both were firsts.
 Don't get me wrong..i don't think they were right in what they did, or that they shoulda won.......but they were smart bastards.
 we simply outnumbered them, and pounded them into the stone age(almost)
 i might be wrong on some of these things, but ya hafta give their engineers credit......and almost forgot......the first rocket powered plane. and the only one untill late 2004.....xcor in the mojave desert has a usable rocket plane based on rutans vari ez.

all,
john