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« Reply #210 on: March 15, 2005, 01:39:39 PM »
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Another thought... Why should I or ANY other business owner be forced into a contract with an organization that took NONE of the financial risks that I took in starting or expanding my company???  Why should they dictate wages, benefits, working hours at all???  The free market should dictate what a job is worth to an employer.  If an employer pays chump change, he will not attract workers who can compete.  BUT at the same time 2 employees that have the same experience and same time on the job are not necessarily equal in their value.  Why should they be paid the same???  I guarantee that If I had employees unionize I would find any and every way to get rid of them!!!


LOL You want to abolish the 40 hour work week too?

Amazing.....simply amazing....that some people were born 100 years too late.

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« Reply #211 on: March 15, 2005, 09:49:13 PM »
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Another thought... Why should I or ANY other business owner be forced into a contract with an organization that took NONE of the financial risks that I took in starting or expanding my company??? Why should they dictate wages, benefits, working hours at all??? The free market should dictate what a job is worth to an employer. If an employer pays chump change, he will not attract workers who can compete. BUT at the same time 2 employees that have the same experience and same time on the job are not necessarily equal in their value. Why should they be paid the same??? I guarantee that If I had employees unionize I would find any and every way to get rid of them!!!



This is the attitude that gave Unions thier creation.
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« Reply #212 on: March 15, 2005, 10:10:44 PM »
6Gun,

Is that "Star" meaning to imply that Unions = Communism? Really? Quick history question everybody. What is widely regarded has the beginning of the end for communism in Russia?

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Lech Walesa was born on September 29, 1943 in Popowo, Poland. He attended vocational school and then worked as a car mechanic at a machine center from 1961 to 1965. He rose to the rank of corporal while serving two years in the Polish army. In 1967 he became employed in the Gdansk shipyards as an electrician. Walesa quickly became a leader in the shipyard. In December 1970, he was briefly detained when the shipyard workers clashed with the government. In 1976, activities representing his fellow workers as shop steward caused him to get fired.


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Two years later, Walesa began to work with other activists organizing free non-communist trade unions to establish workers' rights. He was kept under surveillance by the state security service and frequently detained. In August 1980, Walesa led the Gdansk shipyard strike for workers' rights which inspired a wave of strikes over much of the country with Walesa seen as the leader. The workers impelled the Polish authorities to yield to their demands. With Polish authorities, Walesa negotiated the Gdansk Agreement of August 31, 1980, which gave the workers the right to strike and to organize independent unions.


THAT'S an Icon of Union Labor.

I think your "Star" is misplaced
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« Reply #213 on: March 15, 2005, 10:12:23 PM »
I would never allow a union in my business.  I don't want anyone dictating to me anything regarding something I own.

That said,  I pay  my employees* about 20% more than my competitors pay theirs.   My service levels far exceed theirs because I am able to hire/retain good people.



* I only have 4 employees,  not trying to sound like a big shot.
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« Reply #214 on: March 15, 2005, 10:20:55 PM »
Steve,


I am a American Union Man. But I would never try to argue that ALL employees need to be part of a Labor Union. I am sure you treat your people very well, and if a business with 4 employees "needs" a Labor Union, then something is very wrong. (although it has happened) However, there are many trades in this country that do need and benefit from a LU.

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« Reply #215 on: March 15, 2005, 10:29:15 PM »
Sled, you know more about LU's than I.   I only hear about the greedy, mismanaged ones.  If there are LU's out there that represent their employees fairly, compensate their officers fairly, treat the employers fairly,...wow  I'm all for that.
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Re: Re: Union Icons
« Reply #216 on: March 15, 2005, 11:00:53 PM »
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What's ironic here is that the first thing that happens at every Union meeting I've ever been to is the Pledge of Allegence.


Really?  how strange....

every union meeting I've ever been too, the central revolutionary commitee rallies the workers whilst we grab red flags and wave bits of paper in there air just before we storm the winter palace as the Battleship Potemkin fires it's opening salvo.... :)

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« Reply #217 on: March 16, 2005, 12:11:00 AM »
As for Al Capone, He is no more an icon for Union Labor in America. Than Richard Nixon is for the Republican Party.
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« Reply #218 on: March 16, 2005, 11:04:25 PM »
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Another thought... Why should I or ANY other business owner be forced into a contract with an organization that took NONE of the financial risks that I took in starting or expanding my company??? Why should they dictate wages, benefits, working hours at all??? The free market should dictate what a job is worth to an employer. If an employer pays chump change, he will not attract workers who can compete. BUT at the same time 2 employees that have the same experience and same time on the job are not necessarily equal in their value. Why should they be paid the same??? I guarantee that If I had employees unionize I would find any and every way to get rid of them!!!


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This is the attitude that gave Unions thier (their)creation.


I really have to disagree with that one. That attitude of ownership, personal responsibility, and fair pay for a fair days work is what this country is founded on.

The belief that employees don't deserve a safe (or as safe as it can be made) workplace, or fair compensation for what they have to offer their employer, combined with a market that supports those actions are what led to the rise of unions.

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« Reply #219 on: March 17, 2005, 08:18:28 AM »
Indeed. American workers were overjoyed when American managers voluntarily instituted the 8 hour work day. What an amazingly peaceful transition that was.
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« Reply #220 on: March 17, 2005, 10:24:32 AM »
if only goebell's could have been around to see the propaganda in this joint.

(i am refferring to the al capone/soviet star hammer and sickle motif...n case anyone was wondering.)
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