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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2005, 08:46:47 AM »
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I  have turned around and been able to see both ends of the horizontal stab over the same sholder. In multiple different planes while under g's.


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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2005, 08:50:39 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2005, 05:23:29 PM »
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Didn't Know I was a contonsionist.

I have turned around and been able to see both ends of the horizontal stab over the same sholder. In multiple different planes while under g's.


 Yeah HT, but were you able to see further than that?

 If somebody approaches you from your 4~5 oc, would you be able to see him by looking over your *left* shoulder?

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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2005, 07:41:49 PM »
easily.

maybe you need to exercise more than your typing fingers. :aok
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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2005, 10:40:26 PM »
LOL Shane no kidding his number of posts are amazing enough, but if you add the length of them wow that's some serious exercise heheheh.

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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2005, 12:47:15 AM »
So you're saying you can sit on a chair, left and right HOTAS, and you twist your body and look over your left shoulder, and your vision of focus reaches to 4 and 5 oc angles?

 I assume that your not talking about a 'glimpse' in the peripheral vision, but a fully focused view where you can make  out object detail clearly(as we can do so in AH 6views).

 That's pretty amazing.

 A typical human neck pivots about 90 degrees to left and right without any torso/spinal movement. A typical human spine has about 60 degrees spinal twist max(pure spinal), with additional 45 degrees coming out from the pelvis and hips, thus a "torso twist" is about 100 degrees maximum for a human.

 If you can look over your left shoulder and see the 4 and 5 oc clearly, your torso twist is close to 140~150 degrees. Sitting on chair usually halves the twist angle in the hips, so it would mean your pure spinal twist is close to 100~120 degrees. A normal person would break his back if he does something like that.

 You are indeed, one of a kind!

 

[edit] Some spinal facts:

 The golfer Tiger Woods, twists his body about 100 degrees with his feet planted solid when in a backswing.

 His hips twist about 30 degrees, and his spine twists about 70 degrees, which is remarkable flexibility. Normal amateuer golfers needs about 45 degrees of hip twist and 60 degrees of spinal twist to achieve that kind of swing. [/edit]
« Last Edit: March 12, 2005, 01:01:59 AM by Kweassa »

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2005, 05:04:13 PM »
Tried some experiments :D

 I had a friend help me by writing something on a note and standing at my 4, 5 oc area while I sat on a chair with my waist loosely strapped.

 I *could* make out what he wrote on the note, by looking over my left shoulder, but to do that my head had to go through the 'imaginary' cockpit glass on my left side, let go of the 'stick', and feet went off the 'rudder pedal' because I had to twist my hips too.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2005, 10:21:59 PM »
Research shows that after a year playing AH, the average player possesses this ability to check 6.
































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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2005, 02:46:58 PM »
Kweassa, what's 60 + 45 + 90?

I have a bad back and I can get nearly 90 degrees of rotation at the shoulder (granted, i cramp horribly after just a few seconds of that). However, with a rotation at the shoulders of nearly 90, and rotation above the shoulders of 90, and a field of view of what, 130+ degrees?, why shouldn't I be able to look behind me in a game?
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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2005, 03:08:37 PM »
just some quick dumb math

im out of shape and overweight (suprise LOL)

i seem to be able to make about 55 degrees+ on my chair rotating just my spine. that is keeping my feet plantes, and hands on the HOTAS.

it is tough and i can't hold it long, but i can make that.

my head goes right about exactly 90.

that is a total of 145 degrees of spin in one place, not in a panic or causing undue stress to myself. (i imagine one can do suprising things when you life depends on it)

let us make a light assumption that my field of view i can see 70 degrees to 1 side.


now each virtual clock hand is 30 degrees. 5 oclock would be 210 degrees.

210
-90 (head turn)
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120
-55 (spine turn)
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65

less than the 70 i can see.

the 70 deg eye turn is light though. sit in your chair, and without moving your shoulders (keep them perfectly square) i can see what is directly behind me which would lead me to assume i can see more that 90 to one side.

if i can see 180 without turning my spine, how far can i go from there?

Kweassa i think you are attempting to get a "direct line of sight" where that is not needed to see a black object against a blue sky (generalism's here)

i will add, looking at a steep upwards angle was much harder than a flat look behind me.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2005, 03:10:54 PM by JB73 »
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