Vancouver Tries Free Heroin Program

[Nash]

I think you're onto something here, siaf....

It's ambitious, but it just might work.

It will take an unprecedented mobilization of manpower, and millions, possibly billions of dollars. It may take several years, but... it has a chance.

All it needs now is a name. Something catchy. I know! Lets call it the "War on Drugs!"

You should talk to somebody who'd be able to get such an undertaking off the ground.

[Siaf__csf]

I think I'll hit on George W. Bush Jr. when he gets elected and he needs to continue the family tradition on being a war president.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
They're weak from the head, not by physics. They're weak as individuals because they took drugs for a reason. They wanted to escape the reality and became addicts. That's weakness.

You are by far the most ignorant person I have ever seen to post on this board.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[Siaf__csf]

ROFL! What is this, hug a junkie group?

Face it, anyone who chooses to use drugs in todays world knows exactly the dangers. If he chooses to do so anyway, he has mental issues and has to resort in escapism. Drug usage is a direct result of not being able to handle life sober.

What's so hard to understand there?

Yeah, do yourself a favour and ignore me like you seem to ignore the whole problem. Everything bad will definately go away if we pretend it's not there, right?

Let's censor bad words and nipples from tv. Let's censor reports of street children. Let's censor reports of violence and abuse. Let's take some dope to make the world look better.

I say good riddance, you've chosen your path.

[mora]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Are you a friggin junkie too? Automobiles and eating are useful necessities you can't even talk about them in the same day with drugs. That's just plain rediculous. Drugs are in no way a benefit to the society, quite the contrary in fact. Alcoholists rarely rob people / kill people in order to get money for booze. Junkies do. Your civil liberties do not include drug usage even today. It's illegal. So what would be taken away from you?

Yes but they cause way more deaths than drugs. If you are so raged about drugs you should be somewhat raged about about those, right? Eating junkfood is not a necessity neither are private automobiles.

Alcohol causes enormous costs to society. In a socialist state where helthcare is free and they receive social security the costs are enormous. It's prohibition was tried, and it failed miserably.

Making drug use illegal doesn't remove drug use as I stated earlier. If you would want to round up all the junkies you would need a surveillance network like the STASI in DDR, and that would infringe my privacy even if I don't use drugs. And the costs would again be enormous.

And... Because I disagree with you and have a grasp of reality I'm a junkie? get a grip and quit the personal attacks.

I'm getting a Hortlund Deja Vu from your debating style.

[Siaf__csf]

Mora you're the one going overboard with your stasi style.

The fact is that social workers today have knowledge of thousands of drug abusers and they do nothing about them. Nothing.

They let them continue the use, they let them spread disease, they let them loot and mug people on the streets and most importantly they let them finance criminal drug trafficing.

Mora are you really saying that you really can't see any difference between common household items and a dangerous, addictive and lifethreatening illegal substance which has no useful value? I mean get real now.

[DREDIOCK]

Siaf__csf


Question.

Have you ever even once gotten drunk? Or high.
On anything ever?

And if so.

Why did you do it?

[Siaf__csf]

I've got drunk on booze and high on love, nothing worse than that.

Why did I do it? Alcohol usage is common in social situations as it relaxes you. Well, also I happen to love good wine.

Why did I fall in love? Primal instinct.

Why I have never taken illegal drugs?

A) They're illegal.
B) Unlike alcohol, I know they're addictive even on short term use.
C) I'm not that stupid.

Any more questions?

[parker00]

yeah i have one-

Can you breath with your head so far up your prettythang?

[Siaf__csf]

Head up my ass?

You have to recheck your values if you think that someone who completely disagrees with drug usage and the mild ineffective methods used to combat it, has his head up his ass.

When I worked as a security guard, I had enough of people with substance abuse problems (and trust me, they're rare here compared to what you got there). You never knew what they did next. One retard smashed a glass bottle to his head and tried to blame it on me when the cops came to pick him up.

[mora]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf

B) Unlike alcohol, I know they're addictive even on short term use.
 

You cannot slump all illegal drugs together. Some of them are highly addictive and some are non-addictive or mildly addictive. Most of them have positive and negative effects just like alcohol.

Alcohol is around the middle of the scale when it comes to addictivity.

[lazs2]

siaf... I think where you are confused is thinking that any addict including gambling and booze can be cured by getting the guy straight (away from the addiction long enough to get it out of his system) so that he can see the harm it did him and then reason.

that is not so bad an idea in and of itself.   Every treatment program except methadone and this "experiment" use that method including AA and NA (narcotics anonymous).

It works.  It works while they are in treatment (if they can't figure out a way to get loaded) and it works for 2-10% of all the addicts that get through it.

The rest go back out and use.  It matters not how smart or tough they are.   Sometimes that makes it worse.   I find I am allways telling myself that now that I am "cured" I can drink like everyone else or... use drugs for "recreation"  I am sure nash will have the same thoughts once the horror wears off...

In my case.. this is after 16 years clean.

If I start again... I won't stop until I am stopped or hit another massive bottom in my life.   I will cause untold misery along the way to everyone and society in general but I won't care a bit.

Death for addict is appropriate if they kill someone...  I think drunk drivers who kill for the second time need to be executed for instance...

junkies meth heads crack heads etc.. that get cought doing three burglaries should get the three strikes max penalties.

In the end...

No matter what we do we have to reallize that once an addict is created or found or whatever.... with the science we have today... there is less than a 10% chance that he is salvagable.

lazs

[lazs2]

and... I am not talking about the addictivity of a drug... it matters not once the person is addicted.   I have seen people so addicted to pot that they couldn't function normally and ruined the lives of everyone around them including theirs.    Gambling does the same for some.

Some drugs like pot and gambling and booze allow people to have degree of addiction that may not be so bad onm society in the lesser degree of addiction.

I can give examples of simple use and mild addiction ruining a persons life tho in all the above mentione tho if you like.

lazs

[TexMurphy]

Nash.

Respect!

I dont know you but huge respect to you. Your writing really kicked me in the balls. Ive never taken nor been tempted to take drugs but drugs do scare me. I like my wine, scotch and beer, its enough for me.

Living in a relativly "drug free" (read low public usage) country like Sweden one doesnt get in contact with drug adicts in the same way as other. What you described was very human, while extreamly unhuman, and thats what made it so scary.

Also it gives me extra depth in the admirations to thoose, like your self, who break free.

Since Im not religous I cant pray for you to be able to stay clean rest of your life but I can cross my fingers and hope.

In my book the people I respect the most arnt the perfect people but the people who work to improve them selfs, their situation and the situation of others. You definatly fall into that cathegory.

Respect!!

Tex.

Ps. Dont let the arrogant brats who still live in the pubertal illution of the world beeing black of white get to you. Ds.

[Siaf__csf]

Lazs2 you just showed how pointless moras argument was. The only way to stay clean is to keep clean.

If you pass the mental edge of buying an illegal drug (even if it's just pot) you're already on the way. You're now connected to people who are either addicts or the very least know people who supply the stuff.

So you take some pot. You like it.. Heck like taking booze but no hangover right? This aint that bad, lets try some X or coke that the nice dealer recommends you next.. Bah now I'm on the run lets take some PCP or heroin..

I know that sounds like a joke but it's not for so many people every day.

Even alcohol is not safe, but it's legal and that's where I draw the limit to. You can't buy dope from a liquor store (well, a legal one at least.)

I know alcoholics that have ruined thier life completely with alcohol. Although it usually takes years the result is nasty nevertheless. But there's one big difference.

First of all, the use is legal. Secondly most people can control the use in order to keep it from becoming a problem. Some people don't and they quite frankly shouldn't touch any of the stuff.

One of my relatives is a gambling addict. Now that's something I really can't understand.