Author Topic: Airfield 37mm "dual purpose" guns vs GV's (Read 996 times)

humble · « **on:** March 16, 2005, 07:56:30 PM »

I'm assuming we have some flavor of dual purpose 37mm mannable airfield guns since if we had AA only then they couldnt kill a tank at all.....

However, it's an ongoing farce that a 37mm dual purpose gun of any flavor could knock out a tank. I've had PZIV's killed faster than I can stop and get a shot off at ranges of ~2000 yds vs the tanks frontal armor.

Now if we're simply providing mark 7 turbo lazers fine...otherwise why not make the hitting power more realistic. Basically it should have somewhere near the hitting power of the M-8 main round at most (and I'd guess a bit less)....

mechanic · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2005, 08:01:55 PM »

yeah, and quit with the insta-kill one ping crap from manned ack.

silly as hell.

Kweassa · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2005, 09:02:04 PM »

It does seem kinda silly that a 37mm AA gun would knock out a Tiger I, which 75mm armed tanks cannot in most angles.

While its highly possible that the 37mm is another 'gameplay concession', to act as AT guns as well as AA, in that case why not just introduce a separate mannable 'AT bunker' or 'AT pillbox' or 'AT battery' object to the game?

Urchin · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2005, 09:21:57 PM »

It probably shouldn't be able to hurt a Tiger, but a Panzer IV only has 50mm of armor on the turret front, and less than that on the sides. A 37mm AP round would go through that.

humble · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2005, 12:06:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
It probably shouldn't be able to hurt a Tiger, but a Panzer IV only has 50mm of armor on the turret front, and less than that on the sides. A 37mm AP round would go through that.

Thats a marginal statement, the 37mm on the M3 (same M6 37mm as M-8) could penatrate 48mm (also have seen 52m) at 30 degree's at 500 meters. So this is a marginal penatration. Given how often we see ricochets and hits without leathal damage at 1000 or less with 75mm guns I dont see how you'd think a 37mm has that kind of killing power.

Out of curiousity what type of success does the M-8 have vs a PZIV in AH at 500m/1000m/2000m??

The german pak 36 anti tank gun (37mm) could only penatrate 29mm at 500 meters

http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/guides/at_guns.htm

101ABN · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2005, 05:43:37 AM »

Ive seen it go two ways.. Ill use the manned flak to lead tanks in on the kill by firing at the enemy tank.. all i get is the rubber rounds..expected. then again ive killed the panzer4 using the flak gun, it takes quite a few rounds. I have never killed one with a single round. Now I have been killed or my turret knocked out by the infamous "PING".. think its one of those 37mm laser guided, heat seaking, thermo-nuclear, depleated uranium SABOT rounds.. (still a HT secret, dont tell anyone.. hush hush).

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2005, 06:46:25 AM »

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yeah, and quit with the insta-kill one ping crap from manned ack.

yep and tracerless they extra gamey

i hate being knocked out 1 ping by a gundweeb

whels · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2005, 10:19:15 AM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
yep and tracerless they extra gamey

i hate being knocked out 1 ping by a gundweeb

clueless as usual lol

mannable AA isnt tracerless, HT fixed that long ago.

the 1 ping kill is a cockpit shot from a 37mm gun, u should be dead. when planes fly @ my gun, i aim for engine/cockpit, when they fly parallel, ill aim for wings

Sikboy · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2005, 10:27:45 AM »

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Originally posted by humble
Thats a marginal statement, the 37mm on the M3 (same M6 37mm as M-8) could penatrate 48mm (also have seen 52m) at 30 degree's at 500 meters. So this is a marginal penatration. Given how often we see ricochets and hits without leathal damage at 1000 or less with 75mm guns I dont see how you'd think a 37mm has that kind of killing power.

Out of curiousity what type of success does the M-8 have vs a PZIV in AH at 500m/1000m/2000m??

The german pak 36 anti tank gun (37mm) could only penatrate 29mm at 500 meters

http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/guides/at_guns.htm

The Russian NS-37 (best gun evar!!!1!) might have been as high as 48 mm at 500 yards (90 degrees) according to Tony Williams' site. http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm

I wonder if this gun was ground deployed in an AT capacity?

-Sik

Lye-El · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2005, 11:38:44 AM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
yep and tracerless they extra gamey

i hate being knocked out 1 ping by a gundweeb

And I hate only having 3 acks defending a large airbase. It's gamey. Three quicks squirts from the vulchers and no ack defense at which time they can use their ACM skills to fight aircraft the manly way. While their engines are starting.........

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2005, 12:57:51 PM »

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the 1 ping kill is a cockpit shot from a 37mm gun, u should be dead. when planes fly @ my gun, i aim for engine/cockpit, when they fly parallel, ill aim for wings

i would aim for the whole plane and miss.

Yep even when come straight at me.

Takes alot of gv time to master that i guess but that is so boring.

Life is simple and happy when clueless.

we can't be all elitistic like u.

mechanic · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:35:50 PM »

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Originally posted by whels
clueless as usual lol

mannable AA isnt tracerless, HT fixed that long ago.

the 1 ping kill is a cockpit shot from a 37mm gun, u should be dead. when planes fly @ my gun, i aim for engine/cockpit, when they fly parallel, ill aim for wings

being knocked out one hit by 37mm is not my gripe.

its having my tail fin blow off by it then blowing up a second later.

would that happen, no.

everytime the manned ack hits a plane it blows up ala pilot hit.

whels · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2005, 03:34:53 PM »

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Originally posted by mechanic

everytime the manned ack hits a plane it blows up ala pilot hit.

um no it doesnt happen all the time,, most the time i hit guys with AA on wings, tails they flutter to the ground missing the part.

john9001 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2005, 04:13:40 PM »

how do you know it was maned ack that hit you?

in a furball over a enemy base and i get hit , i don't always know if it was a plane , maned ack or AI ack, i just know i got hit.

Kweassa · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2005, 06:32:34 PM »

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being knocked out one hit by 37mm is not my gripe.

its having my tail fin blow off by it then blowing up a second later.

would that happen, no.

everytime the manned ack hits a plane it blows up ala pilot hit.

Not really.

Depends on the angle - if your tail stabs are blown off right before you explode, its entirely possible the AP round severed through your plane's rear quarters, and reached either your fuel tanks or pilot.

I've been shot down in lots of different ways when lingering near manned ack. Usually a 1ping pilot kill/fuel tank explosion when I'm facing it, and structural failures in other angles.