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Offline JB73

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« on: March 17, 2005, 02:16:47 PM »
from her now ex-husband:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=9&u=/ap/20050317/ap_on_re_us/andrea_yates

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Andrea Yates' attorney, John O'Sullivan, told The Associated Press that his client wasn't happy about the divorce but "she has come to terms with it and knows Rusty needs to go on with his life. She just wants to get it behind her."


ohhhh poor woman.

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O'Sullivan said she is mentally stable but "forever scarred."


so sad i single tear rolls down my cheek.

this lawyer sounds like a charecter from the movie the devil's advocate. what a scumbag.
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2005, 02:38:13 PM »
Has Yates been convicted of a crime?
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2005, 02:43:53 PM »
I thought so tho she successfully appealed part of it

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2005, 02:44:20 PM »
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Andrea Yates, 40, was sentenced to life in prison for three of the 2001 drowning deaths,
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2005, 03:15:01 PM »
The greatest danger to children birth-7 years is their mother. Accidents, rage, and depression. United States has roughly 60 or so children in that age group who die from firearms related issues per year. Last time I looked, mother related deaths for that age group were close to 40,000 per year in the US.

Sounds like US mothers need to be registered, required to pass motherhood tests, licensed and closely monitoring by the state untill their children reach 10 or 11....................there is no amendmant to the US Constitution protecting the right to be a mother.
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2005, 03:40:33 PM »
The scary part about all this...it happened just down the road from my house.

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2006, 12:32:38 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2006, 12:43:12 PM »
The woman was obviously deranged. I don't know how she'll ever be able to live with herself.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2006, 12:55:56 PM »
Get a rope.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 01:06:53 PM »
return of the living dead topic :O

saw my name and thought, WTF? who the heck got the password and posted something!?1 :mad:


let it be known i had zero involvement in the booting of this.


sandy, you a bit on the agressive edge today? seem to be wanting to turn the screws a bit and start controversy?


on topic, i think it is a totally wrong verdict IMO.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 01:08:34 PM »
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sandy, you a bit on the agressive edge today? seem to be wanting to turn the screws a bit and start controversy?


I didn't create the story. Just updating an old thread on this topic before someone creates a new one.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 01:28:50 PM »
she was crazy??? no ... I always thought sane ppl drown their kids in a tub...

may God have mercy on her soul
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 01:46:29 PM »
She has a reversal of a legal conviction. So far as I know no one has denied that she did in fact murder her kids. While you can claim that she wasn't in her right mind about it for the purpose of assigning legal guilt to it, the fact of the matter is she killed her kids who did not do anything to deserve to die other than have the freakingly bad luck to be born to her. There is no reason in my mind she needs to be considered for freedom, ever. As long as her kids remain dead she should be incarcerated. I think she should be in solitary and the only decorations in her cell should be photgraphs of her children in their caskets.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 01:46:34 PM »
Hi Guys,

This was terrible, heartbreaking, case. I read the details of the actual murders several years ago, and remember being horrified at the time. Yates systematically drowned her five children one by one, then laid them out on the bed in their bedroom. She had to struggle to drown the older ones, and had to hunt down and fight several of them.  She then called her husband at work and told him to come home telling him specifically that she had done something bad to the children, and then she also called the police telling a detective that she called them because that's who you call when you've "done something wrong." Yates also told police that the final decision to drown her children came after several months of deliberation.

Admittedly, this is just my opinion, but I'm saddened by the verdict. I'm particularly saddened because by it, the Yate's children were denied justice in a "this worldly" sense. I'm also disturbed because under this verdict, Yates can be released as soon as she is declared competent and will be free to have more children. It also was simply bad law for a number of reasons.

1) In order to fit the proper criteria of "not guilty by reason of insanity" it needs to be demonstrated that the perpetrator did/does not understand the difference between right and wrong and fundamentally cannot comprehend the consequences of their actions.

Yates, repeatedly demonstrated that she knew murdering her kids was wrong, and had planned the murders long in advance indicating that this was not spontaneous psychotic behavior, but the result of premeditation.

2) Depression has been poignantly described as "a room in hell" by Martha Manning, but as awful as it is, it is not insanity. I've counseled many people with depression, and my experience has been that it tends to make people more likely to choose to engage in self-destructive behavior up to and including suicide - but have never seen it be the catalyst for murderous rage. Ultimately also, the depressive personality is still self-aware and quite capable of volitional choice in the way that psychotics are not. I don't for a moment dispute that Andrea Yates was depressed, but from the case evidence and her own testimony it is clear that she consciously premeditated the murder of her children and then acted on it.

So in the end I'm just sad that five little lives were brutally snuffed out by the person they trusted most, and yet the person who did it has gone essentially unpunished.


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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2006, 01:50:14 PM »
hear, hear Seagoon. I couldn't have put how I personally feel better... though I am a bit more agressive with my feelings on it.
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