Shiavo case

[TweetyBird]

I am having a very big problem with this. I've seen a few videos of this woman and to me there seems awareness present. Also it is a fact her parents and imediate family love her and sense this awareness, I have no idea how this has gotten so crazy with her husband so steadfast in wanting to kill her. This has nothing to do with the right to die with dignity - this woman is aware and her parents are a big part of her life. Her husband wants to kill her by letting her dehydrate??? Why not give her the same humane lethal injection a murderer get?? Is letting her die by withholding the basic needs of life any less of an execution or in this case,  flat out murder?

This is insane that it has come this far - there are some wacko judges that need to removed for letting it get this far. This is not heroic measures and how some idiot judges in Florida have seen it as heroic measures is beyond me. The woman is thriving considering her condition. The fact that Florida's judicial system is broken is absolutely no excuse for the federal government to stand idle while this woman is murdered. I think they should think about arresting dear hubby for conspiracy to commit murder.

[genozaur]

Tweety, I'm also worried about this case where the person (no matter how brain-damaged she is)
is going to die from state approved starvation.

You also say that the parents feel her alertness.
I vaguely remember that long ago I read about a woman who in somewhat likely situation  gave birth to a healthy child. I'll search the web, but if you have any information about such things, do let me know. Thank you.

[CPorky]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
her husband so steadfast in wanting to kill her.  

He is ensuring the same thing that would of happened to her 15 years ago... I have seen this type of thing quite often, and I can sympathize with the man. I am a little concerned he wants closure at the cost of her life and I'd like to see a trio of MDs discuss the issue and her ability to reason.

Originally posted by TweetyBird
This has nothing to do with the right to die with dignity - this woman is aware and her parents are a big part of her life. Her husband wants to kill her by letting her dehydrate???  

Again, he may be doing this for the wrong reason, but how can you make a judgement in a situation where you neither know her or the family? Better yet, how can Congress? From what I was told, in Europe they can do this sort of thing by having 3 independent MDs agree and co-sign the process. Again, how can you call it 'killing' when you don't know what she has for higher brain function?

 

Originally posted by TweetyBird
[BI think they should think about arresting dear hubby for conspiracy to commit murder. [/B]

I've seen 95 year old people refuse a G-tube (feeding tube) but they were still placed at the family's request because the geriatric patient couldn't swallow following a stroke. Very quickly they become depressed and will themselves to die, often (I would have to say) quicker than the numerous pneumonias would have claimed their life.

Bottom line, not a single one of us can really make decisions or opinions (INCLUDING Congress) until we know the family, the patient, and all the circumstances surrounding the issue. This belongs in the realm of the States' Medical Boards, not in the Supreme Court.

[genozaur]

I've found the information I was talking about.
It was a rape case of a Catholic woman who had been in coma for ten years. She gave birth to a boy who was adopted by her parents.
Irrespective of its criminal twist, this case proves that even a comatose woman deserves full respect because she is able to give a miracle of life to her potential children, and to carry the spark of life further.
I am really disgusted when I read about these outrageous decisions to starve a human being to death.

[CPorky]

Do me a favor... spend a month volunteering for a Hospice program. I can give you information how to go about finding a local participant in your area. I guarantee it will change your outlook...

This type of decision happens everyday, gentlemen.

Originally posted by genozaur
Tweety, I'm also worried about this case where the person (no matter how brain-damaged she is)is going to die from state approved starvation.

[TweetyBird]

What disturbs me so much is this case has been obviously twisted to fit into the "death with dignity" mold but it is anything but. You don't starve or dehydrate someone to death to let them "die with dignity" - thats frigging insane. We don't even starve animals to death, we're gonna starve people?? Incompetence is all over this case, and I suspect malice is also.

There are MANY individuals FULLY aware that lose the swallowing reflex and must be fed with tubes. This woman may not be fully aware but I defy ANYONE to guarantee there is no awareness. If this woman did tell her husband she would not like to live severly handicapped, that means NOTHING. We don't kill severly handicapped people no matter what they wish, we are civilized. What if she remarked she'd rather be dead than poor??? We'd kill after she went under the poverty level?


This woman is not being kept alive by machines. She is being fed differently just as many aware people who have lost their ability to swallow are fed. The fact that some would like to twist this into something else (e.g.. a person with no brain function being kept alive by artificial means), calls for a criminal investigation, starting with hubby who seems to want to get on with his life.

[CPorky]

Really? I've seen no less than 5 patients this month, so far, die because a G-tube wasn't placed. A 'feeding tube' could of given them more time but at the cost of their dignity.

Again, this happens everyday.

Originally posted by TweetyBird
You don't starve or dehydrate someone to death to let them "die with dignity" - thats frigging insane.  

[TweetyBird]

If you starve people to death, you should be in prison.

[Nash]

This has already been decided by the courts.

Three doctors have already testified that her prognosis is futile.

Bush himself signed a law which allows Texas hospitals to withdraw life support if the following combination applies: The prognosis from the hospital's physicians is terminal, and the patient is unable to pay for further care.

What's happening here is that some members of Congress didn't like the outcome of a court's ruling, and wants to send it back under a diferent set of rules. Seperation of powers, anyone? I believe this is unprecedented.

[CPorky]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
If you starve people to death, you should be in prison.

And you should work in a hospital so you can take your head out of the sand.

[TweetyBird]

No Nash, we're talking about STARVING someone to death. If she was transported to the local SPCA she would get more humane treatment. The idiocy of this isn't sriking you yet?

[Raider179]

I guess some people don't understand that some of us would rather starve to death than live in that condition.I completely understand the husband wanting to end it for her. My family and myself have all discussed this issue before and all agreed that none of us would want to live in that diminished capacity. That is not life to me. That is called being a burden and that is the last thing any of us would want to be to someone else. That would straight up suck to be in that mental/physical state.

My final question to you all who think the husband is doing the wrong thing is this...If you were in her position/state would you want to be kept alive or allowed to die?

[genozaur]

Originally posted by CPorky
Do me a favor... spend a month volunteering for a Hospice program. I can give you information how to go about finding a local participant in your area. I guarantee it will change your outlook...

This type of decision happens everyday, gentlemen.

I absolutely believe your gruesome impressions on Hospice program. But my point is the specific case in Florida and the consequances of its outcome for the whole world.

My thought in this case is such that maybe some other husbands would prefer to have their wife dead in some other way than starvation.

And what would you say when there is a fact that the "vegetative" women can carry childred and give birth. Why the husband should be denied the right to have "in vitro" child with his wife ?

[TweetyBird]

>>And you should work in a hospital so you can take your head out of the sand.<<

So you are telling me hospitals aren't  absolutely full of incompetence , and everyone there is enlightened, and my chance of dieing to incompetence (staff, septis) doesn't increase exponentialy with the length of my stay in a hospital?

Sell it somewhere else.

[Nash]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
The idiocy of this isn't sriking you yet?

The idiocy certainly IS striking me Tweety, just a different variety of idiocy entirely than you are talking about.