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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2005, 11:36:01 PM »
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>>You want to answer the question of whether you would want to live as a vegetable or be allowed to die or just want to bring up other cases?
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#1 vegetative state is a medical term - vegetable ISN'T

#2 whether or not I would want to live in a vegetative state or in a slum or in Florida has nothing to do with the fact or whether or not our government allows people to starve other people to death.


1) I didnt ask you a medical question I asked you a straight question. WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE LIKE THAT?

Guess you won't answer. Fair enough. The government should allow anyone who chooses to depart the earth do so. I think (until shown otherwise) she would not have wanted to live like that. So that being the case that her husband is obeying his wife's wishes and everyone else should back out. What you see as murder I see as a husband doing something out of love of his wife.
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« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2005, 11:36:21 PM »
>> because the cerebral cortex does not regrow once destroyed.
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Now you see, even here there is a great debate. Only a quack of a doctor would claim to know for certain functions of the cerebral cortext can not be moved to other areas of the brain. There are many experiment ongoing try to discern that. And this quack of a doctor just knows this? Has he done any studies on hemispherectomies???
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« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2005, 11:36:24 PM »
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Is that the same Dr. Walker as this one?

 


Nope. Yours is a Dr. Robert Walker, deals with ethics.

The radiologist was Dr. W. Campbell Walker, who concluded that Terri had "a history of trauma."
 
Be kinda strange if she just collapsed and as a result the scan showed a healed broken right femur bone and healed fractures in Terri's ribs, pelvis, spine, and ankle about a year later, wouldn't it?

That'd be some forking collapse.
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« Reply #63 on: March 20, 2005, 11:37:50 PM »
Toad,

I do not know how it is possible to beat someone in such a way as to cause an electrolyte imbalance in a bolemic which brings on a heart attack, resulting in a vegetative state.

You know something about dogs, and hunting... but I'm not sure I'm ready to join you on this particular trip.

As to your uncle, it is my understanding that nobody in Schiavo's condition has snapped out of it after one year. It's my understanding that the term "permanent" is applied after the passing of one year, because it has not happened past this point.

Is your using the word "vegetable" between quotations because your uncle was not in fact in the same condition as this woman?
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« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2005, 11:39:03 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2005, 11:40:10 PM »
The bottom line is that she is a human being who some  people want to allow to starve to death.

Funny that the Dems in our country, who say they are looking out for the helpless and say they value life.......well, they are the one's who want to abort babies and starve people like her.

No human compassion at all.

What is the great harm in allowing her to be treated and to live? If you say she is suffering and needs to die...then wrong answer.

She is a human being and starving her to death is barbaric.
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« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2005, 11:40:48 PM »
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Nope. Yours is a Dr. Robert Walker, deals with ethics.

The radiologist was Dr. W. Campbell Walker, who concluded that Terri had "a history of trauma."
 
Be kinda strange if she just collapsed and as a result the scan showed a healed broken right femur bone and healed fractures in Terri's ribs, pelvis, spine, and ankle about a year later, wouldn't it?

That'd be some forking collapse.


ahh... Yeah I have been trying to find more info on but havent been able to find much. Very troubling indeed. Wish there was more info out on it.
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« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2005, 11:41:03 PM »
No, I use it in quotes because that's what the "experts" called him and I don't think it was true, since it turned out otherwise. ;)

Nonetheless..what's the big deal with getting 3 or 5 Board Cert Radiologists to review it in one work week or less before pulling the plug?

Like I said... if he DID beat the krap out of her, you want him to get away with it? Seems pretty easy to rule out that possibility. Broken bones show up real well on the scans.
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« Reply #68 on: March 20, 2005, 11:41:48 PM »
Funny that the Dems and liberals want to let her starve to death, yet some of these same fools want to protect trees and owls.
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« Reply #69 on: March 20, 2005, 11:44:46 PM »
I guess some people have no moral compass.
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« Reply #70 on: March 20, 2005, 11:44:52 PM »
If she did indeed get beaten into a vegatable, of course I would see it differently.

My gut tells me that her parents would take any avenue to prevent her natural death... and would not turn a blind eye to this one.

Either they too think it's kooky, or they have in fact tried and... well, it went nowehere.

Re. yer uncle... You should call the news 'cuz they are reporting false info if that's the case.
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« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2005, 11:45:01 PM »
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The bottom line is that she is a human being who some  people want to allow to starve to death.

Funny that the Dems in our country, who say they are looking out for the helpless and say they value life.......well, they are the one's who want to abort babies and starve people like her.

No human compassion at all.

What is the great harm in allowing her to be treated and to live? If you say she is suffering and needs to die...then wrong answer.

She is a human being and starving her to death is barbaric.


Here is the argument as easy as I can put it. SHE didnt want to live like that. That is the whole thing in a nutshell. Her life, Her choice.
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« Reply #72 on: March 20, 2005, 11:45:33 PM »
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Its turned political. Arent they calling the bill the Palm Sunday Compromise? This is just another issue that will divide the country thanks to our wonderful media and congress. It's turning into your either for life or your against it when that is far from how people feel about it.


Raider, if a comatose woman could give birth to a child, had  she been dead for the ten previous years ? I think she was not dead.
Her human mind was not very much in sync with us chatting boxes, but one of the major woman's ability to carry children survived well.
I just would like to know the opinions of the brain doctors on this case. Is the childbearing function of the woman's body independant from brain functions ? I doubt it. But such an opinion casts dark shadows on the diagnoses of modern medicine stars who overestimate the "cognitive" aspect of brain functions.
Another link gives us another doubt. The comatose girl was on ventilator for ten years but after the removal of the machine she kept on breazing on her own. This fact definetely tells us about the improvement of her state of health.
Are there any true stories of the "awakening" of the comatose people after several years of "no life" ?
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« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2005, 11:46:13 PM »
>>Here is the argument as easy as I can put it. SHE didnt want to live like that. That is the whole thing in a nutshell. Her life, Her choice.<<

And we have that in writing, right?
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« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2005, 11:46:38 PM »
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Funny that the Dems and liberals want to let her starve to death, yet some of these same fools want to protect trees and owls.


I knew it was a matter of time before someone turned this political. Please stop jeez.
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