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Offline nirvana

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« on: March 21, 2005, 05:07:37 PM »
Recently my family has come upon a pure breed German SHepard puppy but we are in need of some help.  He is constantly getting out of his 20 inch high day kennel we have set up in the kitchen and in doing so he is getting into things and causing havoc.  Along with this he is chewing/knawing on things constantly as i'm sure puppies do with their teeth coming in and stuff.  He is also willing to go to the bathroom anywhere at anytime including when someone is standing watching him as he did today.  Our patience is running short, well at least my sister's and mine because we are the ones cleaning all of this up so any advice on house breaking or getting him to STOP when told to do so would be kindly appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2005, 05:14:01 PM »
you need a professional dog trainer and quick.

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2005, 05:15:36 PM »
er... you considered TRAINING the dog?

they dont learn by themselves where they can poop you know.


When i was a kid I trained my dogs where they had to relieve themselves by taking a scoop of their feces, putting it where they SHOULD be taking their dumps, grabbing the dog from behind the ears and making his face look at the pile of crap and tapping my finger at the floor next to the crap.  After that if you catch him taking a dump somewhere else, roll up a newspaper, slap the offender on the rump and snout , make sure he sees you scoop up the crap and repeat the above mentioned procedure.

Repeated that several times a day for a bout a week... dog learned quick and for the rest of his life pooped in the designated spot.

as far as chewing and gnawing... thats normal for young pups.. nothing you can do about it other than give him toys to chew (buy the toys that have bacon flavor or bacon-scented material).

If the dog does that when hes almost full grown (aka not a fist-sized puppy) then thats behavioural... use ultra hot spicy sauce and smear the stuff he chews on with it... after a few weeks the dog wont come near it ...ever again.

Important note though.. dont ever give a dog beer. Its not good for them and more importantly, its less beer for YOU. ;) :aok

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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2005, 05:19:39 PM »
Wow that was quick thanks OIO I think i'll try that.:aok

I heard dogs respond to stern shouts of "NO" or just by hearing the anger in your voice aparently he doens't listen. Oh and we had a "profesional" trainer come to our house on Sunday (I wasn't awake to see her in action my parents were) but it seems to have done nothing.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2005, 05:26:55 PM »
no prob man. I had seven dogs back home, worked with them all. Boxers, labradors, dalmatians (ironically the dalmatian LIKED the hot sauce.. I had to use lots of vinegar on it instead) and their mixed breed (boxer+labrador is a BEAUTIFUL dog hybrid.. ill try to dig up a pic for you) pups.


Dogs do respond to stern voices.. but that depends lots on the dog itself. If the dog respects you a word alone is enough... if the dog thinks youre the big fat idiot that feeds him and picks up his crap then your words will mean nothing to him.

It may sound a bit inhumane but I think dogs respect you more if you use physical punishment (I dont mean beat him up, the newspaper slap works fine). After a year or so you can switch to words and you'll be set.

When i was like 8 my dad would slap the boxer when she did something wrong.. then id go to the boxer and play with her... wrong message. dog thinks big guy thinks its bad, little guy its ok. So dog ends up crapping in the right place only when big guy is around.  So if you have kids keep em away from the dog for an hour or so after you 'deploy' the newspaper ;)

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2005, 05:34:01 PM »
The Dog is a pack animal. You guys are the pack. Each pack has one Alpha usualy male, and one dog at the bottom of the pecking order. It is up to you guys to identify the Alpha and make sure the Dog obeys him or her. Then the rest of you need to assert your dominance. Stern words, facial expressions, constancy and occasionaly physical dominance are the way to do it. Leave it too long and your dog will be the Alpha and rule you guys.

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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2005, 05:36:23 PM »
We crate trained our last lab.

Dogs dont like to go to the can were they sleep.

They key here is with pups to take them outside often.

She got house broken from Crate training, and being taken outside 4 times a night lol.


Some dogs love to chew and never grow out of it. Punish them if they chew ANYTHING but the chewtoys.


I am with OIO You need use a bit of force on ocasion with some dogs, not beating them by a good swap to the rear and a raised voice lets them know. Be consistant.

Pay lots of atention to them as well.

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2005, 05:43:11 PM »
How old is the pup?

When housebreaking a pup, take them out to do their business immediately

1. Whenever they wake up from a nap

2. Whenever they finish eating

Stay out there with him, encourage him with that "special word" ... "business", "potty".. whatever you choose. Praise him when he'd done, then take him back inside. For ease of training and cleanup, take him to the SAME PLACE in the yard every time.

Teething:

Get thee down to Petsmart or Petco and pick up 6-10 of the hollow steamed bones. These are white bones, have no meat on them at all and have a hole down the middle. Get the longest ones they have.

Take them home, stuff about a tablespoon of his canned dog food up into the hole. Just smear it in as far as it will go from each end. Then put them in the freezer. When he starts gnawing on things, get a bone FIRST, go to him, tell him "NO!" while sticking his nose towards what he's chewing. Move him away, out into the middle of the room where there's nothing to chew and give him the frozen bone. The food will keep him working at it for a half hour, the cold will feel good on his gums and he will teeth on something that is no loss to you.

Leave a few "used ones" lying around his area. Reload and refreeze as necessary.

Kennel. Either get an airline dog crate if you really want to keep him boxed in a small area. Otherwise, use a better gate. You're the human; you should be able to devise a containment gate that he can't work around.

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2005, 05:46:35 PM »
crate in the daytime and at night when they go to bed.

attention when you are present.  (they are your friends and loyal servants)

a long walk twice a day...they also LOVE (i cant stress this enough) having a set and reliable pattern.  a ROUTINE. if they know its coming soon, they will hold it.

praise over punishment.

with my pups, (german shepards) i fed them a treat each time they asked to go outside.  there are times when a swat is good, but rarely and ONLY when they are caught in the act.  it should be a shock...not pain.  dealing in pain is for sickos.  teaching is what it is all about.

you just have to think of things from thier perspective...and remember...you pooped yourself often once and there wasnt a thing you could do.  

should they be any smarter than you were at thier age?

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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2005, 05:59:53 PM »
First off, there are tons of things you can do to assert dominance and train your dog without ever having to give them so much as a swat.  How??  Read on  :)

The best thing you can do is to crate train him.  Buy a crate that will be big enough for him to fit in when he's grown and keep him in there when you're not around.  It sounds mean, but dogs, pups especially, enjoy having a place that they can call their own to get away from everything.  Do a google search on crate training and you'll find tons of info on it.  Just make sure that as soon as you take him out of his crate the first place he goes is outside.  As soon as he does his business outside make a big fuss over it.  Act like a fool, anything to get him excited about what he just did!  If you can catch him weeing inside, give him a stern No! and then rush him outdoors.  If he finishes his business outside, make a big deal of it!  When it's time to go back to the crate he will probably whine and howl, but it's essential that you just ignore him.  With time he'll figure out that being noisy isn't going to get him anywhere.  Also, make sure he has access to his crate even when he's not in it.  Some dogs will prefer to get away to their crate for a while even when they're family is around.

Another thing is to take him out way more than you think he needs it.  My pup went out every hour until he was completely housebroken.  It's much easier to train them to go outside than it is to break them of going inside.  Go outside often and keep him in the crate when you're not around.

German Shepherds are herding dogs and are usually very high energy.  They're bred to run all day long and out-think a flock of sheep.  If you don't find something for them to do, they'll find something on their own and you probably won't like it!  Play lots of games, go for lots of walks, just do your best to make sure he's tired.  If you can keep his mind busy and his body tired you'll have a lot easier time of the puppy stages.

For chewing, just keep a whole bunch of toys around, but don't leave them all out at one time.  Keep three or four out at a time and throw in a different one every now and then.  If he starts chewing on something he shouldn't, give him a stern No! and then put an appropriate toy in his mouth and praise when he starts to play.  Look for a Kong at your local pet store.  They're beehive shaped pieces of rubber that you can stuff with treats.  Fill it up with dog food and plug the end with some peanut butter.  He'll have to get the PB off and then roll the Kong around to get at the rest of the food.  This kept my Collie pup entertained for a good half hour.  

As soon as he's settled in and comfortable you'll want to look at clicker training.  It's too involved to really get into in a post, but it really does work wonders.  You'll start reading about it and think "Man, this is some really hokey crap", but trust me, it works wonders on training a dog quickly.

Finally about dominance.  It's important that your pup sees you as the pack leader.  There's several ways you can do this.  The pack leader controls access to anything good.  Food, choice place to sit, attention, water, etc.  If you find him in your favorite chair, tell him "off" and then move him.  If he tries to jump back up, repeat "off" and move him again.  It'll take a few tries, but he'll get it.  You can also do a long "down, stay."  It's basically keeping the dog laying down at your side until you release him.  He'll need to know "down" and "stay" before you could do this of course.  Extend the length of the "down, stay" until he can do it for 30 minutes.  That's the best non-confrontational way to teach a dog his place in the pack.  If that doesn't work, you can use the "alpha roll."  If you catch him doing something he shouldn't and he doesn't respond to a stern voice, flip him over on his side and hold him there with pressure just behind his jaw.  Make sure you keep a hand available to hold his body down as well.  He will flail about and give you a fit for a while, but then he'll sigh and just give up.  At that point you can let him back up.  Be careful with this though, if you don't do it right you could get bit.  

Dog training is something that I love.  I've been working with my dogs (2 collies and a border collie) on agility and herding for quite a while now.  There's a lot to learn, but it's real satisfying to get it right!  Agility is something you may want to think about for your pup as well.  If you have any more questions just feel free to ask.

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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2005, 06:03:07 PM »
One last thing, make sure you're giving him a good quality puppy food.  Nutro is the brand I recommend.  The cheaper foods are full of fillers and just get pooped out.  A quality food will give better nutrition and also produce less crap.  ;)  The nutrition is really important for the German Shepherds at the growth stages because they are very prone to hip dysplasia.

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2005, 06:06:04 PM »
My personal solution is to only adopt older dogs...

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2005, 06:07:43 PM »
I find if you shoot at animals they learn real quick.
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2005, 06:10:16 PM »
Was having a discussion on "positive only" training with a clicker advocate.

The guy is very nice and very smart. I asked him if any Labs had titled at any level using positive only and/or/with clicker and he said, to his knowledge, no. He also said that folks were trying.

I find that sort of interesting as Junior Hunter is not a very difficult test for a well-bred Lab.

I do intend to look into clicker, but my sked is just way overfull.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2005, 06:16:45 PM »
ok I will try what you guys have recommened my parents are soft so they use the kitchen kennel so he doesn't whine (doesn't like to be alone) but he goes in a smaller one at night next to my parents bed.  I have tried to hold him down but I guess I will try to get close to his jaw next time.  Walks seem to be a must I guess every day after school will be his time for a walk, other dogs love to walk too though:( .  See if I can get my sister into the walking mode too so they others don't feel left out.  I was taught (by our smaller dog) that hitting with news papers will cause resentment but she was abused as a pup so that could be why.  Anyway I think i'll go and take him for a walk before it gets too dark.  Would any of you guys know if an injury (Other dog bit his ear last night:( ) would cause the ear to not stand up?  Seems to be a major cause of concern for my step dad.

Thanks for all the info been helping me:aok
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