Author Topic: Students Killed in school shooting... (Read 5367 times)

Curval · « **Reply #165 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:52:32 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
curval is wrong as usual.

curval is wrong as usual

lazs

I know you are, but what am I?

Neener neener

Curval · « **Reply #166 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:53:16 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
why is it always the same 3 or 4 people who jump into thread like this and turn it into a gun thread? Doesn't it get old by now?

Nuke...it's a gun thread...check the title.

NUKE · « **Reply #167 on:** March 23, 2005, 03:16:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Nuke...it's a gun thread...check the title.

about as much of a gun thread as a car accident/homicide death/deaths is about cars.

midnight Target · « **Reply #168 on:** March 23, 2005, 03:50:48 PM »

Bah!

Which "well regulated militia" do you belong to lazs?

NUKE · « **Reply #169 on:** March 23, 2005, 03:58:51 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bah!

Which "well regulated militia" do you belong to lazs?

NRA?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #170 on:** March 23, 2005, 04:43:13 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bah!

Which "well regulated militia" do you belong to lazs?

Who peed on your fried chicken today?
-SW

KBall · « **Reply #171 on:** March 23, 2005, 05:18:29 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bah!

Which "well regulated militia" do you belong to lazs?

Try again.

"The "Militia" as understood at the Founding was not a select group such as the National Guard of today. It consisted of all able-bodied male citizens. The Second Amendment's preface identifies as a justification for the individual right that a necessary condition for an effective citizen militia, and for the "free State" that it helps to secure, is a citizenry that is privately armed and able to use its private arms."

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm#2c

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #172 on:** March 23, 2005, 05:28:03 PM »

i doubt this thread have anything to do with guns or rifles,
they are only tools used for something nobody have the right words.
If you ask me Seagoon hit the nail.

Curval · « **Reply #173 on:** March 23, 2005, 05:31:34 PM »

midnight Target · « **Reply #174 on:** March 23, 2005, 06:53:43 PM »

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Originally posted by KBall
Try again.

"The "Militia" as understood at the Founding was not a select group such as the National Guard of today. It consisted of all able-bodied male citizens. The Second Amendment's preface identifies as a justification for the individual right that a necessary condition for an effective citizen militia, and for the "free State" that it helps to secure, is a citizenry that is privately armed and able to use its private arms."

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm#2c

An opinion paper written specifically for Mr. Ashcroft does not equate to the final word on the subject.

The Supreme Court has never ruled in favor of the individual right to bear arms, in fact they have leaned the other direction. AND ther has NEVER been a gun control statute overturned on 2nd amendment grounds.

lazs2 · « **Reply #175 on:** March 24, 2005, 08:43:23 AM »

I consider myself an able bodied citizen and essential for any militia that may need forming for whatever reason.

but... Are you saying that if you belong to a group like the michigan militia then your rights shall not be infringed? That is their premise... I would gladly add my name to the roster if that would get the gun grabbers off my back.

beetle.. simply saying I am obtuse doesn't make it so.. I believe you are being evasive and my proof is that you are doing everything you can and (uncharacteristically for such a verbose person) you are not commenting on my suggestion... you don't refute it because you can't. How would letting teachers who wanted to and qualified carry concealed hurt anything? how does having and armed policeman in the school hurt? That seems to be working.

vulcan... please explain to me which of your "sensible" gun laws caused a decrease in crime in your country. If there are any handguns or shotguns in the hands of lawenforcement in your country then why hasn't some one of their grandchildren stolen them and shot up one of your schools?

why is your suicide rate so high even without guns?

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #176 on:** March 24, 2005, 09:08:05 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Removing guns from schools is getting kids killed. The only thing that stops the killing eventually is.... a gun.

lazs

What a weird world you live in, Lazs. When I went to school, the teachers had no guns, neither did the caretakers, nor the school crossing guard, nor the parents.

And no-one got killed.

bustr · « **Reply #177 on:** March 24, 2005, 01:33:31 PM »

beet1e said:

What a weird world you live in, Lazs. When I went to school, the teachers had no guns, neither did the caretakers, nor the school crossing guard, nor the parents.

Beet this almost qualifies for the definition of insanity. The world has changed. This generation of children in the US brings guns to school and commits massecers. Insanity in the face of this is allowing students and teachers to be sitting ducks. It's a "suckers bet" to say it won't happen again, or that the current laws and measures in place will work to stop the next unhappy sociopath. By the way, the current little Monster was on Prozac, just like the Columbine monsters were on atidepressents.

Isreal arms it's teachers. The teachers shoot the gunmen "dead". No more sitting ducks.

Insanity - Wanting the world to be what it once was while allowing people to be murdered now.

Yeager · « **Reply #178 on:** March 24, 2005, 01:38:53 PM »

the antigun crowd in the USA is growing increasingly frustrated at the lack of progress made in stopping stuff like this from happening. They are pissed off with the freedom to live without fear of being shot being taken away from them. Their cause is gathering momentum.
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Dunno bout this one. Clinton started the whole gun ban movement back in 94 with the assault weapons ban. Ever since then, the democratic (anti-gun) party has suffered a continual loss of power at the voting booth and is now a defeated minority party experiencing greater reduction in influence than even the republican party did under four FDR administrations.

It appears to me that the american consensus is this: We will suffer the small but tragic loss of our people to insane sick nutjobs amongst us as a sacrifice to sustain our shared freedoms as a whole nation. Thats what we are about in large measure I guess, sacrifice. Most americans I know shudder to think of living life as europeans do, cocooned and protected from themselves, obediant servants to a higher malignant power.

You stay the way you are, we will stay the way we are. If you share our values come join us. If not, stay as you are and be happy. I guess.....

beet1e · « **Reply #179 on:** March 24, 2005, 01:41:14 PM »

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Originally posted by bustr
Beet this almost qualifies for the definition of insanity. The world has changed. This generation of children in the US brings guns to school and commits massecers.

There you go again, dragging the rest of the WORLD into what is essentially a US problem, caused by doing NOTHING to stop nutjobs from getting guns, and justifying this inaction by citing that avoidable deaths resulting from the inevitable school massacres are "not the guns' fault".

OK, let's fast forward to 2004. My brother retired from his teaching career that year. When HE went to school, the teachers had no guns, neither did the caretakers, nor the school crossing guard, nor the parents. And no-one got killed.

There. Will that do?