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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2005, 01:45:53 PM »
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NUCLEAR BLACKMAIL is treated as ho-hum, let china handle it news to bush and his people.


China is in a far better position than the US to deal with North Korea. China provides desparately needed aid to NK, this gives them leverage we just dont have.

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Keep in mind, at the very same time we were gearing up for war in iraq, to go see if saddam had the can of mustard gas in the desert



We were looking for far more than just a can of mustard gas. Do some research on the 'net.
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« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2005, 01:50:39 PM »
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Should they be? Iirc weren't the Intel services budgets cut during the 90's? If so, how do you blame the Intel guys when they most likely dont have the funds they need to get the job done?


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I agree, most of the time people should be held accountable for mistakes of this magnitude. However, consider this. America's Intel services werent the only ones mistaken worldwide. Many were mistaken, including possibly the best Intel guys in the world, the Israelis.


Nash, if you were talking about that post last night, the questions were directed to Silat, with the 2nd paragraph containing *food for thought*. :)  If you weren't, then I still have no idea what you were talking about. :)
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« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2005, 01:52:32 PM »
The media took one part of the reason for the overthrow of the Iraqi government and I'm going to stick to that one issue because it was the one issue that can't be proven even though most of the governments of the world agreed with it and I think it's the best way to argue my point without looking at what was going on because I cant fault any of the other reasons and i know im right because i just am and no one is going to tell me different because that was the reason and it was wrong and now theres a commision that says it was wrong and that proves im right and theres no reason for me to look at any of the other reasons because that was the one that the news kept telling me it was for and i think it was just...........bad

So true Lazerus. Funny how people remember only what they want to.
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« Reply #48 on: April 02, 2005, 01:57:23 PM »
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Originally posted by Elfie
Silat,

You can google for all this stuff I am about to talk about if you wish, or you can search this BBS for threads where I have previously posted links.




???? And why do you think I dont know all the info you are referring to?

I posted a gov report. I have a problem when the head of the agency that is blamed for the mis information is given the highest award this country has for civilians.
I have a problem when no one is held accountable for the mistake.
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« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2005, 03:39:20 PM »
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Originally posted by Silat
???? And why do you think I dont know all the info you are referring to?

I posted a gov report. I have a problem when the head of the agency that is blamed for the mis information is given the highest award this country has for civilians.
I have a problem when no one is held accountable for the mistake.


Accountability goes all the way back to budget cuts during the 90's that affected our intel services ability to do their jobs. Who do you want fired Silat? Or, who should we bring up on charges and what specific charges should they be brought up on?

The gov't report you linked to doesnt say anyone lied or intentionally misrepresented data. In fact, the report says:

The report implicitly absolves the Bush administration of manipulating the intelligence used to launch the 2003 Iraq war, putting the blame for bad intelligence directly on the intelligence community.

It goes on to say:

But the commission also said that it found no indication that spy agencies distorted the evidence they had concerning Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, a charge raised against the administration during last year's presidential campaign.

If the budget cuts hadnt been made dont you think the intel agencies information would have been more accurate?

I'm unsure as to why you think heads should roll on this issue. People did the best they could with the resources they were given. Descions were made based on information they had at the time.

Steps are being taken now to ensure this sort of thing doesnt happen again. I think thats all we can ask in this situation.
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« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2005, 04:12:05 PM »
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???? And why do you think I dont know all the info you are referring to?

I posted a gov report. I have a problem when the head of the agency that is blamed for the mis information is given the highest award this country has for civilians.
I have a problem when no one is held accountable for the mistake.


All those responsible for doing their job's the best they could with what they had to work with will report to the front lawn of the White House at 0430hrs.

The executions will commence at dawn.

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