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Offline JB88

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« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2005, 04:29:14 PM »
do you percieve that i tell others how to live?

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glad to know...

ill clarify anyway and leave it at that.

i am an american...of course i am gluttonous and wasteful...by comparison.  certainly.

but i think its important that we try to improve upon our situation and provide leadership where we can.  we can at least prolong it and care for it while it is in our charge.

i am not a tree hugger, but i am concerned about the waste of oxygen producing plants in the longrun...it makes rational sense.

i dont drive an electric car, but i am for initiatives that would promote better use of resources so that option will exist in the near future.

i am not bioparanoid, but i think that pouring toxins into water is pretty dumb.  its like peeing in your bathwater.

i believe in recycling because it just makes sense.

does that mean that i would want to take cars off the street?  nope.  but i think that putting pressure on companies to make them safer and more resource conscious is precisely correct.

just what i think.  

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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2005, 04:31:29 PM »
My perception is irrelevant.  How do you see you is what matters and if what you think you see actually coorelates to some level of truth, then its all good.

But to be more to the point.  I have not given it any thought.
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« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2005, 04:35:25 PM »
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6 billion people and growing.


Only 2/3 of the resources used up...that means I still have 1/3 to go.

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« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2005, 06:10:34 PM »
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Only 2/3 of the resources used up...that means I still have 1/3 to go.


hell yeah... I figure atleast my kids will grow up and never see it all go away.

So shreck it, lets continue the party and destroy the planet!

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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2005, 06:27:32 PM »
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but the fact is, until our leadership sees the light and corporations see some financial benifit it is probably not going to happen here in the US. without a major disaster.


Ummm, the U.S. does a FAR better job of protecting and conserving our environment and natural resources than most countries on the planet.

There is an economic benefit. Many Americans pride themselves on being "green" and we are one of the few economies who can afford green products like organic farm goods and eco-tourism.

Heck, for the most part recyling is a major waste of time and effort - but because it makes us feel better we're willing to support a whole industry of it.

The brunt of planetary destruction is happening in developing countries. Corrupt governments and poverty are the true enemies to the environment.

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« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2005, 06:36:23 PM »
This comes from the Millennium Ecosystem Assessment which is heavly funded by those who are interested in the Kyoto Accord and the UN's plan to levi taxation upon the United States and redistribute our wealth to the 3rd world. And how well did they do with the recent Oil for Food program?. The US already funds the UN to almost 1/4 of its budget. Then add the billions the US provides through other means to the 3rd world. Sorry I already paid my taxes. These kooks get enough money from us.

If they can't scare you into submitting to UN control of the world by manufacturing a world wide disaster called global warming, by jingy they will just up and manufacture another world wide disaster. Same tactics the anti-gun lobbies and econut lobbies in the U.S. use in the media to scare soccer mommies chitless about inanimate objects and spotted owls. Oh and in the 70's the world wide disaster was a new ice age.
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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2005, 06:40:56 PM »
Malthusians have been playing the same tune forever now, and their predictions never pan out.
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2005, 08:51:02 PM »
As a bit of trivia,

I had the opportunity to listen to a lecture by one of the countries "top futurists".  I did not sit through the whole lecture, mostly because he was not saying anything I did not know with the possible insite that ecosystems are not well understood.  The interaction of people with their environment is an area of science that is underdeveloped.

Genetics and modifying human DNA, however, is an area science seems to be excelling in.  It's all about money (duh), and what gives the most "bang for the buck".   Any predictions about the ecosystem (or global warming) are based on scientific principles that are not well understood.  



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« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2005, 02:41:24 AM »
There are politically motivated and inductive reasoning filters that gunk up the works of science. But, we all know the planet won't be around forever.

Reminds me of the story about a guy dozing off during an astronomer's lecture. The astromer is explaining that if we're still here, our star will kill us all off a billion years from now. The napping guy is startled awake and say, "What? What did you say?"

The astronomer repeats it and the guys says, "Whew... Okay. I thought you said a million years from now."

Which is going to bite us hard first? Well, if you're in your 50's, your parents have been labeled "The Greatest Generation." What will media label the children of "The Greatest Generation?'

I'll say we'll be called "The Greediest Generation."

Those of us in our 50's will see some of the effects of our greed before we die. If you're in your 20's now, you'll most likely be cursing us. And your children will cure us also.

Those of you in your 40's and 50's who live a comfortable, upper-middle class or above life now do realize that your children will not have a better life than you? This will be a great sea change in human development. Those who are living a lower middle-class, month-to-month existance, your children will feel the brunt of the changes in store in the next 20 years.

The changes will economic and dangerously geopolitical; the ecology is down the list somewhere. Energy and the hunt to grab up the last pumpable oil will be the catalyst to some troubling economic times: inflation breeding inflation, breeding high unemployment and tremendous stresses on a government safety net that won't hold. It's going to get uglier than you guys in you 50's have ever seen.

And that's the good news. The bad news is that this race for energy to keep bad economies from turning into abysmal economies will make the odds for a major global confilct over energy access more likely than not.

Don't get me wrong, we'll be able to muddle through the next ten years or so. But, things will really heat up in 10 years, and the decade from 2015 to 2025 will be, well, interesting. And just so you have a reference for how fast a decade flies, Bill Clinton was running for re-election 10 years ago.

I can understand the logic of "Gettin' your share while the gettin' is good," but the kids are not going to think too highly of us. We can blame it on the politicians or the bad guys in Asia for taking 'our' oil, but that won't change anything.

Nothing short of a trillions of dollars, Apollo-scale program, begun 5 years ago, would have smoothed out some of the rough times. Alas, we're too late. The kids will have to figure it out.

And just for the record, I'm an economic optimist. You should hear what the pessimists say.

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« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2005, 08:13:59 AM »
skuzzy is absolutely correct.. we need to grow and consume to survive.  If this planet get's too small we will perish right then or move to the next one.

I believe as he does that it is hypocritical to be a human being and tell others how to consume.

88 claims he doesn't tell others how to live.... he lies.   he picked out SUV owners.   I would rather a mom get her kids to soccer practice (an I hate soccer) in an SUV than him waste a bunch of resources on totaly useless and boring art.

He tries to goad conservatives into his idiotic cause by placing blame.   He really knows nothing about what will work out for the best in the future so far as the resources he wishes to conserve.  Is it better to conserve gasolione to the point where no other alternative is worth pursueing for instance?  

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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2005, 08:22:58 AM »
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skuzzy is absolutely correct.. we need to grow and consume to survive.  If this planet get's too small we will perish right then or move to the next one.

I believe as he does that it is hypocritical to be a human being and tell others how to consume.

88 claims he doesn't tell others how to live.... he lies.   he picked out SUV owners.   I would rather a mom get her kids to soccer practice (an I hate soccer) in an SUV than him waste a bunch of resources on totaly useless and boring art.

He tries to goad conservatives into his idiotic cause by placing blame.   He really knows nothing about what will work out for the best in the future so far as the resources he wishes to conserve.  Is it better to conserve gasolione to the point where no other alternative is worth pursueing for instance?  

Humans are creatures of reaction and their finest moments come from desperation.

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« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2005, 09:31:49 AM »
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...But, we all know the planet won't be around forever.

Reminds me of the story about a guy dozing off during an astronomer's lecture. The astromer is explaining that if we're still here, our star will kill us all off a billion years from now. The napping guy is startled awake and say, "What? What did you say?"

The astronomer repeats it and the guys says, "Whew... Okay. I thought you said a million years from now."


Some serious thought has been put into this...

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« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2005, 09:35:57 AM »
Well, I do my part....I always turn off the light when I leave the room and I put a water saver in my toilet.

What more could I do???

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« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2005, 12:09:43 PM »
simply agree that something more proactive should be done about managing and creating resources and state it publicly.   the market will follow.

informed opinion creates ripples and causes action when spoken.
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« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2005, 02:21:47 PM »
maybe 88 could tell us what is needed to manage resources and which ones he feels we should worry about.

In my experiance... most consevartionists are all for other people conserving or for conserving where it doesn't make any difference to them... If they hate cars then they see no reason why everyone shouldn't own a prius... if they live in a hell hole of a big city then they think everyone should take a cab or public transportation.  If they are a skymincer they think everyone should ride a motorcycle.

I don't think 88 has a clue as to what needs conserving... none of us do.  

We all make statements by what we consume.   The market follows... that is really all we have to do.

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