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Offline Skuzzy

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« Reply #60 on: March 31, 2005, 03:20:40 PM »
Don't try to label me.  It will end up making you look ignorant.

Think about it.
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« Reply #61 on: March 31, 2005, 03:21:29 PM »
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So if I don't agree, what will you label me to identify my obvious lack of mental enlightenment from the more malleable sheep you wish to stampeed? How easy it is to lead people with "simply agree with me". Sounds like you are testing the waters for a run at the White House with Billary in 2008. Sould we start making out our tax cheques to the UN World Enlightenment Fund care of JB88 this April?


no.  i am talking about the need to do SOMETHING not my own opinion ya numbskull.

i was arguing that one person CAN change things.  not everything...but they can things...even if it is only themselves...it is something.
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« Reply #62 on: March 31, 2005, 03:23:24 PM »
And the probability of that change having an impact on the overall world society?  I could tell you, but it would depress you.
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« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2005, 03:24:09 PM »
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Don't try to label me.  It will end up making you look ignorant.

Think about it.


um.  what?  

(holding electric label maker behind back)

not really sure what you mean, but ok skuzzy.

i'll try to avoid such things...i agree...it can make people look ignorant.
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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2005, 03:25:07 PM »
entropy

thats what i was thinking about.


and by the email updates, this thread enters warp 5 in reply acceleration ; )
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« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2005, 03:26:32 PM »
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And the probability of that change having an impact on the overall world society?  I could tell you, but it would depress you.


you drove me to cocktails yesterday!  lol.

i'll pass.

kidding.

no.  thats just it.  to think that one could control a society would be insane.  i am simply reffering to the ability for one person to act to incite change.  breaking it down to whatever level it exists at...it is something.  

the more somethings, the more change.
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« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2005, 03:29:15 PM »
Why is there a "need" to do something? That is always the argument that proceeds the scary story someone cooks up for the soccer mommies. And it is MR NUMBSKULL to you.

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simply agree that something more proactive should be done about managing and creating resources and state it publicly. the market will follow.

informed opinion creates ripples and causes action when spoken.
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I don't see no stinkin referal to one person doin sumptin here. I also don't see much of a handle on Free Market Economies and Capitolism either.
bustr - POTW 1st Wing


This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2005, 03:35:51 PM »
scary story or not.  there is no denying that we could do better at managing our resources.

its a matter or practicality, and i believe that it matches up rather well with what i think of as a true conservative viewpoint.

sorry bout the lack of title mr. numbskull.

88 (mr. moron)

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« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2005, 03:36:57 PM »
88, I was adressing Holden when I made the reference to labeling.

'Labels' are the handcuffs to open minded thinking.
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« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2005, 03:46:53 PM »
my bad.

true that.
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« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2005, 03:57:17 PM »
just to ramble on here (sorry im bored at home from work)...


what has always bothered me about "conservation" is how the real "leaders" in it try to force things on us.

i wrote a paper in college entitled "the myth of a generation". basically it showed how personal curbside recycling was brought upon us by a falsification by the EPA and the media of the time, later in an actual EPA report, saying their data was flawed and invalid.

either way, today my taxpayer dollars go to taking plastic bottles from peoples homes, and sorting the 250 diffferent types of plastic that can NOT be mixed when recycling them.

the whole conservation movement started back in the 80's because of this, brought on actually by a mob deal to unload some waste. LMAO. i wont go into detail, because you can look it up yourselfes, but there was a barge of garbage that no port would take because of the mob connections, and the thought of possible toxic waste hidden. this barge was on the national news if you remember, and the media blew it up to say there was no room for our garbage anywhere

hence curbside recycling was born. one of the biggest taxpayer drains, with a gross loss overall, resulting in nothing to help the environment.

did you know that it takes up to 20% more fossil fuels to recycle curbside paper than it does to make fresh paper? the de-inking and bleaching of this curbside paper creates actual toxic waste, that is monitered by the EPA in it's disposal.

industrial peper recycling (from printing companies, and the like) is different. their paper is pre-sorted by the company, and actually makes the peper cheaper, it's the homeowner and their newspaper mixed with the glossy glamour magazines that hoses up the works. yet these people insist in believing the myth they are "helping"


yes i could jump on the bandwagon, go work at the local recycling plant, and get paid $15/ hour to cut the little rings off the plastic bottles. (you did know that those 2 types of plastic can not be recycled together right?)


on to the use of gasoline, or lets go straight to crude oil. many don't know, and cover their eyes when the actual statistics are shown that the oil fields (only the ones currently harvested) in alaska can provide the USA with fuel for over 100 years alone (at the current growth rate). the "worry" is the reserves, and where they come from.

dont forget OPEC is a bunch of sheiks in the middle east that the USA has absoultly NO control over, and bows to pretty much every wish, heck the whole world does. did you know back in the 90's 1/4 of the national debt was owed to these same sheiks? we borrowed money in the 70's and 80's from them for different things, and still owe alot of the money today.

what does it matter that they control gas prices? ask yourself why 2 summers ago at the height of usage they decided to decrease production to raise prices? they were even open about it, and it was the first wave in bringing US prices above $1.75 at the time.


88, though thinking you (you as in anyone) are "helping" and can change the state of affairs, sadly there are sooooo many different political sides to it (both sides, commone you dont really think some liberal groups DONT profit off the recycling programs do you?)

oh well the thought of the day is over, time to go fly! ; )
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« Reply #71 on: March 31, 2005, 05:59:41 PM »
73.  when JB's fail to take a base the first time do we...

a.  say screwit, it isnt worth it.  let the bish have it.

b.  let someone else do it and sit in the o'club playing our ukelelees.

c.  try again and make it work or change targets to be more effective in the war, concentrating our forces on strat and relying upon teamwork to improve the situation and our inevitable solution.

d.  tell 42 that its his fault because one person cant change anything so why bother.






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« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2005, 06:03:05 PM »
JB73;

Entropy is the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. It is not a theory.

I don't know anything about plastic recycling, but I do know that Venezuela and Indonesia are not a bunch of shieks in the middle east. Your statement about Alaska having enough oil for 100 years at current consumption rates is just nonsense. Where in the world did you hear or read this? It's so far out there, it makes me question the credibility of your plastics opinion.

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« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2005, 06:47:25 PM »
Ford to write a report on global warming


MAR. 31 3:52 P.M. ET Ford Motor Co. said Thursday it will write a report about global warming, including details on emissions from Ford vehicles and factories, in response to complaints from some shareholders that the nation's second biggest automaker isn't doing enough to reduce pollution.

A group of environmentally oriented shareholders responded by withdrawing a petition asking Ford to detail how it plans to remain competitive as environmental laws get stricter in California and elsewhere.

Ford plans to complete the report by the end of the year and said it will consult with climate experts in addition to the shareholders.


"We have long identified climate change as a serious environmental issue, and shareholders are increasingly asking about the risks as well as the opportunities associated with it," Ford chairman and CEO Bill Ford said in a statement. "It's time for a broader, more inclusive public dialogue on the complex and important challenge of climate change."

Sister Patricia Daly, who heads the New Jersey-based Tri-State Coalition for Responsible Investment and filed the resolution, said she was satisfied with Ford's action.

"Let's take on the issues before us and the realities that will be before us in the next couple of decades," Daly said. "It's no longer an environmental concern. It's a business concern, and corporations are starting to understand that."

Denise Nappier, Connecticut's state treasurer, said companies must prepare for the financial implications of global warming. Connecticut's public pension fund also was a party in the resolution.

Ford said the report will analyze climate change issues and look at the potential impact of various government actions. Ford said it already is developing cleaner, more fuel-efficient vehicles, including hybrids, and will reduce emissions from its manufacturing plants by 14 percent by the end of this year.

Mindy Lubber, president of the Boston-based environmental shareholder group Ceres, said Ford's report will be the first from an automaker to examine the emissions from its vehicles. Lubber said shareholders have similar resolutions before General Motors Corp., the world's biggest automaker.

Not all investors are satisfied. At least two groups have no plans to withdraw resolutions that will be up for consideration this year by Ford shareholders. The company plans to hold its annual meeting in May.

Boston-based Green Century Capital Management wants Ford to detail the amount it is spending to lobby against an increase in federal fuel efficiency standards. Bluewater Network, an environmental group based in San Francisco, also has a resolution that calls on Ford to link senior executives' pay to their performance on global warming issues.

"Ford does nice reports, but they're still suing California, lobbying against higher federal mileage standards and their new vehicles still create more global warming pollution than any major automaker," said Russell Long, director of the Bluewater Network.

The Sierra Club also has targeted Ford's environmental record, particularly after the company decided in 2003 to back off a promised improvement in fuel efficiency. On Thursday, the Sierra Club launched a new campaign to enlist Ford dealers in the effort to make the company's vehicles more environmentally friendly.

Ford shares slipped 6 cents to $11.38 in late afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange. Its shares have traded in a range of $10.94 and $16.48 over the past 52 weeks.
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