Author Topic: Joystick trouble (Read 763 times)

MaddogJoe · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2005, 06:00:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
rattkiller, are you running Control Manager? If not try it.

I don't think the CH manager will work with the Analog CH stuff, I believe its only for the USB stuff. Unfortunately CH doesn't support the analog stuff any more. I had a broken wire in the DIM plug and it took two weeks for them to reply with that information... great help there! Took me two days of trial and error to re wire my plugs!

Ratkiller, I would try each piece one at a time. Go with just the stick first and see if it works, then add one piece at a time. If you have the trouble with the stick right away, use a different stick to test everything else with. Even a cheapy two button would work for testing.

You may have a broken wire inside the stick and pedals. Odd for both to go at once, but S**T happens right? Seeing they are old analogs, I'm sure they are out of warrenty, so rip them apart and take a peek. If your not comfertable with pulling stuff apart, look for a buddy who might be.

I find most problems can be traced to hardware long before ya have to think about software. I'd check the easy stuff first. I can tell when I a wire is broke, I CAN'T tell when a program s broke :)Good luck

Rattkiller · « **Reply #16 on:** March 29, 2005, 07:38:39 AM »

I'm not running the CH Manager and you would think that if all controllers work in the windows game options test and calibration that a wire wouldn't be broken. Anyway to update where I stand The problem is not in the on board gameport for sure. I bellied up to a new soundcard (SB Audigy2.ZS) and the problem is still there. I'm thinking that the last AH update changed something that has effected the analog controllers. What was the date of their last rev?

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 29, 2005, 11:22:43 AM »

2 months ago?

MaddogJoe · « **Reply #18 on:** March 29, 2005, 05:48:20 PM »

I use all analog CH stuff, fighter stick, throttle, and non-pro pedals. My stuff all works fine on this and all other updates from HTC. I've run mine both thru the sound board game port, and also thru a USB plug using an adapter. I'm running thru the USB adapter right now, and only keep it that way because I don't want to climb under my simpit ( see pictures) to switch it back to the game port. I see no differance between either set-up.

I had forgotten that you had said you did get it to work in windows. I'd still try one piece at a time just to make sure one unit wasn't spiking or causeing any other trouble.

DamnedRen · « **Reply #19 on:** March 30, 2005, 04:24:01 AM »

I run the analog CH F-16 Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle and a 12 year old set of TM rudder pedals.

The one thing I do that appears different from you is I set my stick as a 3 axis, 2 button joystick and not a CH product. I have found the CH "sticks" appear to be hardwired for the axis' and two buttons. I program the rest using speed keys. Then download the whole thing to the stick/throttle. At this point you wanna calibrate the stick in windoz. Then goto AH and take the usual path to the joystick as follows:
esc/setup/controls/select joystick and make sure you see the same '3 axis, 2 button" stick in the center window. Do a stick calibration and try it.

Hope this helps.

MDJoe....Nice simpit BTW

MaddogJoe · « **Reply #20 on:** March 30, 2005, 07:03:31 AM »

Thanks Ren.

I didn't mention that, I have mine set as a 2 axis, 4 button with rudders in windows too. I have all my buttons programed thru the stick, and change AH buttons to match what I want on the stick seeing as the programing program for the throttl only runs in dos and XP don't do dos very well

Rattkiller · « **Reply #21 on:** March 30, 2005, 08:28:27 AM »

Just tried your suggestion and nope didn't work setup in the windows game options was fine after I went into AH and did a setup there it still only sees what I noted before. and if it is seeing all fuctions in windows it can't be a hardware issue or broken wire:(

DamnedRen · « **Reply #22 on:** March 30, 2005, 08:53:23 AM »

Tell ya what...as I said I have the same analog setup as you do. Now I gotta get some sleep since I've just walked in the door from working mids.

If you can wait til around 6pm CT this afternoon lets meet in the TA and we can go thru everything, step by step, that you've done to your stick and maybe we can fix the problem.

Lemme know if you wanna try that as Ill check my mail when I wake up.

Rattkiller · « **Reply #23 on:** March 30, 2005, 08:58:08 AM »

Sounds good Thats the training area in AH right?

DamnedRen · « **Reply #24 on:** March 30, 2005, 09:05:29 AM »

yes, and I appologize for not doing now but im going through my morning wind down ritual and my eyes are already half closed......

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #25 on:** March 30, 2005, 01:06:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
Did that without a script by assigning microstick axises as u and v. Assigned them to pan functions in AH stick mapping.

I tried that, Couldn't get it to work. Can you get all 16 views? I do that with the pinky switch as a shift key.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #26 on:** March 30, 2005, 01:12:32 PM »

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Originally posted by MaddogJoe
I'm running thru the USB adapter right now, and only keep it that way because I don't want to climb under my simpit ( see pictures) to switch it back to the game port.

I don't ever want to hear my wife talking about how I'm obsessed with this game. If she does I'm just going to show her these pictures.

Rattkiller · « **Reply #27 on:** March 30, 2005, 07:53:40 PM »

Ren;

Thanks for the help you is a popular guy.

The 3 axis set is not the answer though we did make sure that my CH stuff works. Again thanks for your help

DamnedRen · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2005, 03:09:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Rattkiller
Ren;

Thanks for the help you is a popular guy.

The 3 axis set is not the answer though we did make sure that my CH stuff works. Again thanks for your help

My bad. I applogize. It seems I can't get into the TA without being blasted by 5 questions a second. We did ok for a while there. And Blooz helped some of the other folks with answers and help until Fuzeman showed up. I also had forgotten that I had a training session setup with mekyjr at 7pm CT. Time flew and he showed up and I ended up doing 4 different things at a time to appease the masses. I was tryng to help you with your problems, show mekyjr his view setup with the help of PCacer and get retread up and running as a first time flyer all at the same time. Plus, I ended up giving Yucca a moving target as he was trying to figure out why he was missing on close in shots. It gets very busy for me, really quickly in the TA but I try to get everyones questions answered as time permits.

Back to your stick. I was thinking about it and while we are using the same equipment there are a couple of subtle differences. One is Im using win98se and you are using 2000 pro with some service packs. If I remember correctly 2000 was never really built for gaming but I think MS made a half hearted attempt to create that ability with the service packs. I'm not too sure that it was as successful as everyone hoped but you mentioned it worked ok for you. That said, we checked your stick worked fine in in the windoz test panel but the pitch function was basically inop in AH. We confirmed you turned off the on board sound and gameport on the MB in favor of the PCI plug n sound card. We also got rudders working etc. However, I think we've exhausted all the normal fixes. I'd also suggest you pull the plug n the sound casr and try the on-board stuff and see what happens. I also forgot to ask if you had the latest updates for the sound card?

Where does that leave you considering that is your operating system? My suggestion is you save yer cockpit files and dump the whole program. Go and download the complete game again and re install it. One thing I've found while working over in the TA is sometimes the upgrade on install doesn't take and a few bytes head south when they should be part of the installation. I'd re-install the complete game and not updates and see if that fixes it. If you'd like to continue checking off "things to fix" we can do that also.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #29 on:** March 31, 2005, 07:05:35 AM »

noticed you was getting the following:

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After I Calibrate the stick in AH the only control I have is left yaw by the peddles and negitive pitch from the joy stick the throttle seems to function ok.

I had some similar problems. I use CH fighterstick/pedals (used use throttle its porked)
take the 4 screws off the bottom of the joystick, and with a smaill pair of pliers or even a pair of finger nail clippers, crimp down slightly on each wire connection to each pot.
After using these stick these wire connectors will become loose. to where when calibrating/moving the stick from side to side it picks up one way but intermittently gives you input the other direction.
It made my stick act almost like brand new again after I got a good crimp on the wire connectors.

Also make sure you don't have invert axis checked and that your pedals are set for plane and not car on the selector.

I have always setup using 3 axis / 4 button as suggested long ago in that other sim.

I was able to get mine to recently work in WinXP, so I am sure you and Ren can get it figured out soon Ratt Killer

Good Luck!