Author Topic: "Hanoi Jane" apologizing for vietnam trip (Read 4955 times)

ASTAC · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2005, 06:56:41 PM »

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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL the difference is that MCcain served his country with honor and was a POW for many years .
Come on MT you are smarter than that.

along the same lines as what I was going to say

midnight Target · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2005, 07:01:37 PM »

You guys crack me up.

All the more reason for him to be bitter..... yet he is not.

Get a grip and think before you post.

ASTAC · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2005, 07:03:56 PM »

Oh MT I always enjoy your posts from the other end of the spectrum...However wether she has been forgiven by one soldier or not...what she did was a crime...one which she got away with and has never been punished for...I've posted alot about injustices in our great nation..and this is just another example.

wombatt · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2005, 07:04:06 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
You guys crack me up.

All the more reason for him to be bitter..... yet he is not.

Get a grip and think before you post.

MT I have no problem with admitting that I will never by half the man John MCcain is.

He is a true gentleman to forgive her I simply can not.

Toad · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2005, 07:20:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Hajo
She was passed a note from a Prisoner when she was shown the American Prisoners, which she promptly gave to the North Vietnamese.

Gee....just ask Sen. McCain what he thinks?

Not true. Snopes it.

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The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above — that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result — are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him, saying, "I never met Jane Fonda."

OTOH, there's PLENTY of things she DID do that are more than reason enough to dislike her.

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To add insult to injury, when American POWs finally began to return home (some of them having been held captive for up to nine years) and describe the tortures they had endured at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Jane Fonda quickly told the country that they should "not hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars."

Fonda said the idea that the POWs she had met in Vietnam had been tortured was "laughable," claiming: "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed." The POWs who said they had been tortured were "exaggerating, probably for their own self-interest," she asserted. She told audiences that "Never in the history of the United States have POWs come home looking like football players.

These football players are no more heroes than Custer was. They're military careerists and professional killers" who are "trying to make themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals according to law."

Forgive is one thing, like/tolerate is another.

I dislike her. Intensely. But I can forgive her for being a young, stupid Hollywood c*nt that played right into the hands of the NV.

ASTAC · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2005, 07:28:10 PM »

Why does everbody assume snopes is the final authority on everything?

Toad · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2005, 07:30:45 PM »

It's not only Snopes that "outed" this one. It's all over. The POW's themselves have said it wasn't true in various interviews.

Shamus · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2005, 08:26:19 PM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
I'm just waiting for her to pass on so I can pisss on her grave.

Was down at Yuma air station in 87, all the urinals in the NCO club had her picture in em

shamus

Wolfala · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2005, 08:34:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
Was down at Yuma air station in 87, all the urinals in the NCO club had her picture in em

shamus

I've used those same urinals. I wasn't born but 10 years after her stunt - **** her.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2005, 08:51:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
It's not only Snopes that "outed" this one. It's all over. The POW's themselves have said it wasn't true in various interviews.

There was a part of it that was true.

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The story about a POW forced to kneel on rocky ground while holding a piece of steel rebar in his outstretched arms is true, though. That account comes from Michael Benge, a civilian advisor captured by the Viet Cong in 1968 and held as a POW for 5 years. His original statement, titled "Shame on Jane," was published in April by the Advocacy and Intelligence Network for POWs and MIAs.

Dang I was right though, She's doing this to promote herself wether it be book or movie, history repeats itself:

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In 1988, sixteen years after denouncing American soldiers as war criminals and tortured POWs as possessed of overactive imaginations, Fonda met with Vietnam veterans to apologize for her actions. It's interesting to note that this nationally-televised apology (during which she attempted to minimize her actions by characterizing them as "thoughtless and careless") came at a time when New England vets were successfully disrupting a film project she was working on.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

Toad · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2005, 09:03:57 PM »

Yeah, Guns... but look at WHAT was true:

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"When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her.

I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel re-bar placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped.

Benge didn't meet with Jane; they didn't let him.

When he announced to his captors that he planned on telling her how horrid conditions in North Vietnamese prison camps really were, he got the "treatment".

So you can't really blame Jane for this guys treatment. He could have just declined to meet or not told them his intentions. Either way, he could have still gotten the "treatment", of course.

However, the way he did this, given the brutality typical of all Communist captors, almost insured he'd get hammered.

Mind, you, I'm not defending Jane at all.

Sandman · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2005, 09:16:54 PM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
Why does everbody assume snopes is the final authority on everything?

Prove 'em wrong... on anything. Go ahead... give it a try.

Maverick · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2005, 10:40:54 PM »

I won't spend a penny to buy or see anything she is in or involved with. As far as I am concerned she needs to relocate to the little paradise she visited when she was photgraphed.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2005, 11:55:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Prove 'em wrong... on anything. Go ahead... give it a try.

Karaya

wombatt · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2005, 12:42:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Prove 'em wrong... on anything. Go ahead... give it a try.

Prove em right:aok