Requests For Dueling Arena

[Howitzer]

Originally posted by Flayed1
I used to try avoiding them for a long time and I usually came out about 50 50 on avoidance sometimes they would miss sometimes they would take my tail off.
  Reasently I started taking on the HOer's and found that if I had a really steady hand I survive 80 to 90% of the time.

  Oh and also I just started flying the YAK-9T and you would be amazed at the # of people that will try to HO a YAK. My advice is don't do it, with that 37mil in the nose most of the guys that try to HO me die quickly.
  I am not a supporter of the HO but for the most part if someone trys it I will return the favor.

I watched a few films, and one of Shane's films actually pointed me in the right direction as to HO avoidance.  If you see the guy coming at you from pretty far away, when he gets to about d1000 - d800 pull up and go into your yo-yo or loop, he'll try to shoot at where you are not where you are going, and miss.  Meanwhile, he's so busy trying to maneuver to shoot you, that he's lost some E, and you are already at the top of your loop coming back down on him.  I haven't gotten hit once by doing it this way.  You may want to give it a whirl, it puts you on their 6, and they normally just go nose-down and run, but it gives you the advantage everytime.

[TMAW]

we could wager our perk points on duels with each other. Each pilot put up "X" amount, winner takes all! Ya Know, Win Big or Sleep in the Park!

TMAW aka Tinman

[rival7]

good explanatios guyz and thank you for making this BB interesting, but on 1 hand u have people saying HTC doesn't have time to change things this or that way and on the other hand.....some important conlusions have come out of what is tryin to be said. I am saying, why not ask...NOT BIATCH!!! but ask for change to better the DA cause then why have it and not just everyone go to either MA or TA. u get what i'm saying???SPECIAL EVENTS, for instance.....people can set things up through HTC that could relive a scenario exactly how they want it, WELL GREAT!! they are happy there. NOW, as for ENY in the MA or anywhere's in the game, i mean, c'mon we already pay monthly. Let us up a 262 for free. if it was in the war then let it be. a tiger tank also a mosquito f4u-c, all with some stupid charge. ENVY again, if u r losing the war because people can fly better than u in a plane of sort in their own sortie than tough!!I'd rather lose to odds than a dam ENY value.BUT wait let's not get off the subject here, someone had to complain enuff to start the ENY,right???Just like people complained about NIGHTS???

[hitech]

someone had to complain enuff to start the ENY

You are incorect. The perk system was created before we released any planes that required it.

HiTech

[Clifra Jones]

Perks/Ranks/Scores in the DA would only encourage the idiots to start vulching. Like we really need that!

[stantond]

Yes,

Vulching happens already.  I haven't quite gotten to the point of  getting in an Oswind to stop some butthead from vulching, but have come close.   That is why I would like to see another field nearby which is of different nationality.  Not that it is critical because I can fly 5 minutes to get into a fight, even in the dueling arena.  

Setting up a point system in the current DA environment would cause training to be discouraged or stop altogether.  Right now, the arena is administered by the players.  Someone will always be there to abuse the system (like taking an Oswind to kill players taking off, or vulching)  to prevent/hinder others from flying.  If score was involved then a certain percentage of buttheads would be a constant annoyance and discourage anyone 'serious' about getting better at ACM from being in the DA.  

The DA with a point system and rank would basically be a fighter town arena and not suitable for training.  As noted earlier, I have no objections to a figher town.  However, I also recognize that is never going to happen in AH.



Regards,

Malta

[Blue Mako]

Originally posted by SuperDud
The "HO" I'm referring to isn't off the merge, that's very easy to avoid. It's when you've done an immelman or 2 and end up near a stall face to face with your opponent. Most you fight won't take that shot, but some will(espeically if your POed at the guy from an arguement in the MA). By disabling HOs in there, it would force you to at least get a hi deflection shot to get hits. If you like we can try it in the DA. 1st merge is guns cold, then see if you can manuever outta the way of a HO shot w/o giving up position and losing. Against the good pilots you can't, because the second they gain a slight advantage, it's over.

PS: Realism has nothing to do with this request. Like it's been said many times before, if this game was "realistic" a spit wouldn't be fighting a P51 and B24's wouldn't be dive bombing.

In this situation disabling frontal shots would be stupid and so completely gamey it's beyond belief.  If you're already in your 2nd or third turn and you give the other guy a chance to shoot you in the face, you deserve it.  Likewise if he gives you a chance, take it.  Putting a gamey crutch in there to help you avoid getting shot down will not help you or anyone else get better, it's just a crutch.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by SuperDud
The "HO" I'm referring to isn't off the merge, that's very easy to avoid. It's when you've done an immelman or 2 and end up near a stall face to face with your opponent. Most you fight won't take that shot, but some will(espeically if your POed at the guy from an arguement in the MA). By disabling HOs in there, it would force you to at least get a hi deflection shot to get hits. If you like we can try it in the DA. 1st merge is guns cold, then see if you can manuever outta the way of a HO shot w/o giving up position and losing. Against the good pilots you can't, because the second they gain a slight advantage, it's over.

If you disable the shot from where you describe, you are asking for a concession for poor flying skills. If you do "an immelman or 2" and end up where your opponent can shoot you, why should he not be able to? You put yourself there, suffer the consequences.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by Blue Mako
In this situation disabling frontal shots would be stupid and so completely gamey it's beyond belief.  If you're already in your 2nd or third turn and you give the other guy a chance to shoot you in the face, you deserve it.  Likewise if he gives you a chance, take it.  Putting a gamey crutch in there to help you avoid getting shot down will not help you or anyone else get better, it's just a crutch.

"Beyond belief" you say!!!:eek:

Mako, I never see you in there, was just curious why you feel so strongly about it? It's not turning, it's immelmans(if you know what those are?) Not sure how many good pilots you fight or how often you go to the DA but most guys who know anything will perform an immel or double off the merge. If you should happen to choose the same direction and get around at the same time then SOME(not most) will try to face shoot you. Keep in mind this isn't the MA, this is the DA were you try to get around on your opponent quickly and will sacrifice speed to do so. I could go on but why bother. How things are in there now are fine and despite my name, I do fairly well(I don't need a crutch). I'm not going to responde to anything else written. I guess I'm just on a different page from you guys and that's fine.

PS: Mako, feel free to stop by the DA and look for me. Maybe I could show you what I'm trying to say here.


edit: Just read yours Midnight. Short version: It's not only that he can shoot you, but you can shoot him(thus just a HO). Instead of just flying by one another and continue on to see who can gain position and win. One guy or both will just do some jousting. No fun IMO and that's all I gotta say. CYA guys up!

[Midnight]

Originally posted by SuperDud
... It's not turning, it's immelmans(if you know what those are?)

Apparently you don't know what those are... Read a BFM book.. just about anything that changes the orientation of the aircraft in pitch, yaw or roll is considered a turn.

edit: Just read yours Midnight. Short version: It's not only that he can shoot you, but you can shoot him(thus just a HO). Instead of just flying by one another and continue on to see who can gain position and win. One guy or both will just do some jousting. No fun IMO and that's all I gotta say. CYA guys up! [/B]

Once again, you put yourself in that spot, so did your opponent. Why should the shot be disabled if its there? If you see your opponent doing the same move youare, and you keep doing it, knowing that you are about to come back into a nose-to-nose position, why don't you do something different?

[SuperDud]

Not worth debating/arguing over. It's just one of those personal things I would like. Doesn't mean anyone else would:p

Like I said:

Originally posted by SuperDud
How things are in there now are fine.  I guess I'm just on a different page from you guys and that's fine.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by rival7
STANTOND i understand what u are saying but there is a TRAINING ARENA so that throws what u said out the window.
the key phrase i'm talking about is THE DUELING ARENA. people r SOOO interested in being the KOTH (King Of The Hill) that i'm thinking if we get a point or rank scale in the DA. not changing the maps nor disabling ho's (not tryin to cut anyone short). just leaving the settings the way it is. cause seriously if u want to do a serious battle 1 on 1 up NE SE runway and go 6K merge no ho's on first pass, which is AMI RIGHT?? what everyone has been doin the whole time???train in the DA also, and with a point scale that can also rollover from the MA or if it's separated, it doesn't matter. i just figured u guyz would think it was beneficial that way to rip someone to shreds and stil get paid for it, lol

There are already player sponsored ladder competitions as well as an AH KOTH contest.  There is no reason to introduce perks or rank to the DA.  Perks would be useless since nothing on the DA requires perks to fly or drive and rank is useless because rank is hardly an indicator of one's prowess at the controls of a plane.

Leave the perks and rank in the garbage that is the MA.


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