thanks, got it running, two problems left to overcome.
1. cant' get the throttle itself to work, the one on my MS FF sidewinder (which I hate, not the stick, just that little paddle throttle) works. No matter what I try I can't get it to switch. The only time was able to get it to work I had the stick removed, so I had working throttle, but no stick.
2. the mini stick, bout gave up on that, read everything i could at ch hanger, tried everything, dont know.