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Offline Dago

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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2005, 04:11:47 PM »
Yeah, darn that "big brother".  First it was the forced "safety glass" that saved thousands of lives and horrible cuts, mutilations and amputations, and then they forced the installation of those pesky seat belts and air bags.  First they make driving safer and prevent tragic deaths, now they dont want to allow us to roll over in traffic after a blowout, thus, preventing us against our will from killing ourselves and others.

Darned "big brother".

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2005, 04:21:04 PM »
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Originally posted by Dago
Yeah, darn that "big brother".  First it was the forced "safety glass" that saved thousands of lives and horrible cuts, mutilations and amputations, and then they forced the installation of those pesky seat belts and air bags.  First they make driving safer and prevent tragic deaths, now they dont want to allow us to roll over in traffic after a blowout, thus, preventing us against our will from killing ourselves and others.

Darned "big brother".

dago


Let put the right ammount of cynicism on this:

They don't want you rolling over after a tire failure, then being able to sue the pants off of Firestone and Ford like it was their fault you don't check your tire pressure and also insist on running your light truck tires with 50K+ miles of wear at 90-100mph on the highway.

For those keeping score for your special interest groups:

Trial Lawyers: 0
Big Business: 1

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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2005, 04:21:41 PM »
dont have a problem with it as it is a safety issue.  what i DO have a problem with are the data recording devices that they are going to be requiring automobiles to have...thats a bit much.
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2005, 04:31:39 PM »
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dont have a problem with it as it is a safety issue.  what i DO have a problem with are the data recording devices that they are going to be requiring automobiles to have...thats a bit much.


Friend of mine is legal aid to a lawyer who's entire practice is suing Ford. Not suing auto manufacturers, but Ford specifically. And he's a wealthy man.

If I'm Ford, you're darned right I'm going to start putting every data recording ability that's practical in every car AND I'm going to lobby congress to make it law so that everybody shares the pain of me having been unfairly singled out.

(Dont' know if auto lobby is behind this particular legislation, but I would be if I were Ford. Same if I were an insurance company).

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2005, 04:36:59 PM »
never heard about the data recording device. What is its purpose anyway?
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2005, 04:41:08 PM »
Kind of a silly law.  By 2008, tires will not have any air in them anyways, if Michelin's program stays on track.
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2005, 04:43:38 PM »
What will they have in them? Sounds interesting, got linkage Skuzzy?

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2005, 04:47:19 PM »
It's going to be a good business to program those systems. The ordinary tire shop will not have the make specific equipment to do so.

Renault has that system and it usually needs to be programmed every time the tires are changed. Sometimes the system goes haywire just by itself, thats 70$ a pop.

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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2005, 04:49:03 PM »
LOL SUVs in 2008 not with gas rocketing the way they are.  lol

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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2005, 04:51:26 PM »
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What will they have in them? Sounds interesting, got linkage Skuzzy?


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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2005, 04:54:44 PM »
Thank you Sandman.  They have been road testing them for the last 6 months or so.  Funky looking, but they seem to work well.

Instead of replacing the tire when it wears out, you (are you ready for this?) get them re-treaded!  hehe.

Suppose to be good up to 6 re-treads, from what I can recall.
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2005, 04:55:49 PM »
You really think people who spend $50K and up on a car are that worried about gas prices?

The idea behind the data recorders (which are actually already in many cars) or 'black box' is to have a data record of everything that was happening during the last few seconds before a major 'incident'.  Eg, airbag deployment, impact detection, etc.  This way, the person goes to court to sue their car manufacturer for making a car that would 'just crash', then the manufacturer pulls up the data and asks if the plaintiff suspects that the fact they were doing 95mph might have contributed to the problem.

I'm on the fence here...  as long as this data is not remote queryable (eg, must be physically retrieved), only records the minimum length of time needed (eg, a few seconds, not hours) and the data is used in an NTSB type function (to determine the cause of fault, not to make a bunch of lawyers rich), then it sounds ok....   but what are the odds that's what'll appear?

What we'll REALLY get within the next 10 years might be boxes that track speed, location, etc for the past hour and wirelessly upload it on demand.  So Johnny Law might set up a speed trap where he doesn't actually have to clock you speeding, he just needs to ask your car if it has sped recently.
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2005, 04:56:41 PM »
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Super neato.  They remind me of what I imagined the skateboard wheels in 'Snow Crash' would look like.
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2005, 07:04:16 PM »
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Let put the right ammount of cynicism on this:

They don't want you rolling over after a tire failure, then being able to sue the pants off of Firestone and Ford like it was their fault you don't check your tire pressure and also insist on running your light truck tires with 50K+ miles of wear at 90-100mph on the highway.

For those keeping score for your special interest groups:

Trial Lawyers: 0
Big Business: 1


That about covers it :)

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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2005, 07:14:44 PM »
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NHTSA estimates that 120 lives a year will be saved when all new vehicles are equipped with the systems.


about half of these are just delaying the inevitable.  People that cant check their tire pressure or do the basics of mait. on a vehicle are prime canidates for natural selection if you ask me.

These are the same people that shouldnt be using "power tools" either.