Don't want WindowsXP SP2?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Elfie
All this stuff is waaaay over my head.

try standing up

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Nilsen
try standing up

I'm only 5' 9", standing doesnt help

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
First lets get this OS battle out of head..

Use the right tool for the job is my opinion..

Saying that OSX has no protections imo is just wrong..   Now does the dumb user know those protections..???  As Kofi the Frog would say "hell no"

DoctorYo

What I am talking about is simple to understand:
 - average Mac user + infected/spywared Mac = very little chance of detection (possibly no chance)
 - average PC user + infected/spywared PC = very high chance of detection

Ask a Mac user what spyware there is for their Mac and they'll usually say "none". Which is completely wrong.

And BSD and its apps have loads of issues, look at the security patches flying out of Apple at the moment. Hell, I see thousands of security issues in my IDP/DI/IPS signature files for all sorts of BSD stuff. The only thing stopping a massive virus attack on OS X is relatively small number of OS X systems out there.

[artik]

Originally posted by Vulcan
What I am talking about is simple to understand:
 - average Mac user + infected/spywared Mac = very little chance of detection (possibly no chance)
 - average PC user + infected/spywared PC = very high chance of detection

Ask a Mac user what spyware there is for their Mac and they'll usually say "none". Which is completely wrong.

And BSD and its apps have loads of issues, look at the security patches flying out of Apple at the moment. Hell, I see thousands of security issues in my IDP/DI/IPS signature files for all sorts of BSD stuff. The only thing stopping a massive virus attack on OS X is relatively small number of OS X systems out there.

The major difference beteen UNIX/Linux/MacOSX/FreeBSD and MS Windows - they way they build:

UNIX was system for multytasking-multiuser support from the begginig. Security is build in to these systems. Thus if you running these systems if even you get some kind of "virus" the damage it can do, and the probability it will be able to do something is very low.

MS Windows was grown from MS Dos - system without any kinds of security control, then Win 3.11 (same) then 95/98 and only then there was a merge with WinNT and Windows2000/XP was given.

Windows NT was secure but....
Who does work in WinXP with user permission? - No one - thus any virus/spyware has same permissions and can do anything. More then that you can't work normally with "user permissions mode".

In UNIX system you encuraged to work as user and it is problematic to work as "root" user - some programs just will not work. So you use "root" account for adminitstration only

All is simple - UNIX has natural security control in it, when Windows adopted it, not in really natural way.

[Raider179]

XP SP2 here never had one problem. Actually seemed to get rid of a lot of problems I was having. never get an unwanted pop-up anymore, get the ones I want. I don't see the problem.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by artik
All is simple - UNIX has natural security control in it, when Windows adopted it, not in really natural way.

Yet look at all the exploits for Unix/Linux apps, like Apache and Sendmail.

Or look at how many security updates flying out the door from Apple due security holes that have been found.

The only reason I don't trust OS X is the utopian attitude Apple users take towards security. Its like those retarded humans in the Time Machine movie that were being kept for food....

[bj229r]

SP2 doesnt hurt ya much if ya just do crap lie this---what it REALLY feks up is computers talking to DEVICES. Even if ya turn off the firewall, there's tons of other crap SP2 does in that area. I work on card access systems, among other things, and there are 5 major brands I work on, and every one of them is dead in the water with SP2--they dont support it any way, shape or form, and all 5 are STILL in process of redesigning their stuff to address it.