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« Reply #150 on: April 14, 2005, 04:54:23 PM »
No Seagoon, that was just a one-liner.  

I actually don't have a position on the China-Taiwan thing.  Communism in Red China is evolving (or devolving I guess, depending on your stance) into a free-market economy.  While I doubt it will become as capitalist as our country, I don't doubt that the U.S. and China will reach a common ground as "allies".  As that happens, and as the U.S. fades from international importance, China will pretty much do whatever it damn well pleases.  And you know what?  They'll be right.  You know why?  Because in spite of your feel good Christian outlook on life, in this life might makes right.  Just look at out beloved country's actions on the world stage.  

While I do find it regrettable that Christians cannot practice openly in Red China now, that will change in the near future.  You don't have to be a messiah to see that... as state control over the economy loosens, state control over everything else will loosen too.  

By the time China is ready to absord Taiwan, the U.S. won't be in any position to do anything about it.  Whoever is President at that time will be faced with the same choice as Chamberlain was at Munich.  Will China be satisfied absorbing territory that was "historically Chinese" or will they take the world's reluctance to go to war for a far off people they know nothing about as carte blance to absorb the rest of Asia?  I'm not smart enough to know, to be honest.  Don't really care much either, since barring a complete economic collapse the U.S. will be strong enough to check China's ambitions during my lifetime.

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« Reply #151 on: April 14, 2005, 05:42:44 PM »
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You want to know about China? Just ask me... I eat in a Chinese restaurant about twice a month. That's how you get the inside scoop, btw.


Toad you crack me up man.  :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #152 on: April 14, 2005, 05:45:23 PM »
LMFAO

Haven't been able to show her yet, (shes a cop here in NZ by the way, probably beating up NZ christians right now) but I'm sure she will get a laugh out of the  pics as I did. You never thought the look pretty sharp and obviously taken with something more then a polaroid or DSLR with a flash or two. I couldn't get pics that good unless I had studio lighting. Fantastic  shots from a cop with a polaroid and a flash don't you think? He's obviously in the wrong profession. :lol

Far better quality then these pics. Wonder if the guy taking the photo was a Chrisitan?


But of course chrisitans have never harmed anyone,discrimnated or opressed anyone through history of other relgions, have they now?

I don't mind discussing chinese christians I think theres some 80 million of them so obviously the torture and beatings isn't working very well.  But if your going to preach about it with propergander and discrimination it's not worth my time.  


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« Reply #153 on: April 14, 2005, 05:49:00 PM »
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Gixer,

Pardon? I must admit to being somewhat speechless. Your girlfriend laughing nullifies the pictures taken by Chinese police of ordinary Christians being tortured (need more?), it nullifies report after report from international organizations like Amnesty International on Chinese torture, imprisonment, and execution for political and religious beliefs, it nullifies books written by Chinese women chronicling their own experience with the forced abortion policy?



Its only torture if you make them play naked twister

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« Reply #154 on: April 14, 2005, 07:06:37 PM »
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You never thought the look pretty sharp and obviously taken with something more then a polaroid or DSLR with a flash or two. I couldn't get pics that good unless I had studio lighting. Fantastic shots from a cop with a polaroid and a flash don't you think?


I can take pictures that clear in my home, with a $150 digital camera. As usual you are blind to anything that doesnt fit your view of the world, or in this case, China :P
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« Reply #155 on: April 14, 2005, 10:32:30 PM »
Gixer, does your girlfriend live in China? I guess not, since you say she is a cop in NZ.

When did she last live in China and for how long did she live in China?

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« Reply #156 on: April 14, 2005, 10:38:48 PM »
Gixer, you don't have to talk if you don't want to. Nuke is sniffin' around and may in fact press charges soon. In the meantime, I'd contact your lawyer if I were you.

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« Reply #157 on: April 14, 2005, 11:17:11 PM »
lol Nash, I turned in my badge like you suggested.

Anyway, Gixer is saying he knows China doesn't oppress it's people because he's been to China twice and his girfriend is Chinese.... and she laughs at us.

I assumed he meant she lived in China, so now that I see she does not, I was wondering if she did live in China and if so, for how long.

Nash, how do you feel about the claims that the Chinese may oppress it's people?

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« Reply #158 on: April 14, 2005, 11:19:17 PM »
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Nash, how do you feel about the claims that the Chinese may oppress it's people?


Well, I'm not an expert on China or anything.... but that's certainly the word on the street.

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« Reply #159 on: April 14, 2005, 11:41:01 PM »
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Gixer, does your girlfriend live in China? I guess not, since you say she is a cop in NZ.

When did she last live in China and for how long did she live in China?



Nuke,

She was born in China and is 27 she's been in NZ for 2 years but has also spent time (work,study & travel) in most of Europe,Middle East,US and Australia before coming here.


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« Reply #160 on: April 14, 2005, 11:59:29 PM »
That's cool Gixer. I'm not trying to pick a fight you, so bear with me.

When was the last time your girlfriend lived in China? How long total did she live in China.

If she went to China, would she enjoy and agree with the restrictions the authorities have placed on the internet?

What does she have to say about the masacre in Tiananmen Square in 1989? It's no small thing what those bastards did to inocent people.

The Chinese communists do not have bounds to the brutality they can inflict on the people of China. You are kidding yourself if you think everything is all roses for the people of China.

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« Reply #161 on: April 15, 2005, 12:08:49 AM »
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Gixer, you don't have to talk if you don't want to. Nuke is sniffin' around and may in fact press charges soon. In the meantime, I'd contact your lawyer if I were you.


:rofl :rofl
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« Reply #162 on: April 15, 2005, 12:24:59 AM »
Gixer,

Right, these photos were all staged, along with the video of the bulldozer taking out the housechurch while the congregation watched helplessly, and the videos of the massacre in Tianamen were Western propaganda, and the people I've met only fantasized about being arrested and tortured, and pastors who missionary friends knew to be once alive died of natural causes or perhaps in skiing accidents (which would explain the multiple contusions etc.) and the Holocaust never happened, and Solzenitsyn dreamed up the gulag archipelego.

You know its funny, in all of my time discussing the plight of dissidents in China I've encountered one or two communists who've maintained that the oppression of Christians and Democracy activists in China is regretable but necessary for "the greater good of the people" but you are the first person I've encountered who has simply taken the tack of denying it outright in the face of massive evidence to the contrary from both sides of the political spectrum and even the UN. Well all I can say is that I sincerely hope you and your girlfriend never have to endure what those dissidents are enduring and that if you do, that people who will pray for you and advocate on your behalf, rather than simply denying you exist.

Incidently, is this kind of thing also a fabrication of the same massive international conspiracy?

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« Reply #163 on: April 15, 2005, 03:06:22 AM »
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Far better quality then these pics. Wonder if the guy taking the photo was a Chrisitan?




Wow, what insane torture! I can't believe anyone survived that extreme torture.

The pic is so grainy, it's obviously faked.
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« Reply #164 on: April 17, 2005, 05:27:54 AM »
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so dead... what you are saying is that commie countries can have areas that thrive and have free economies but...

only if they butt out and have no influence on said areas?

lazs
Well of course. Indeed intervention by any type of government, no matter what system, will generally not help an economy be freer.

But it's interesting that Communist China owns the freest economy in the world, nonetheless - why doesn't the "free world" lead the way? Why hasn't it stopped being free now the Communists have taken it over? Isn't that what Communists are supposed to do?

At the same time, it's best not to confuse economic freedom and success with political freedom as Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore all show.

What I'm really getting at is that for the most part the Western world tends to hold a lot more misconceptions about Communist China than is healthy for understanding it properly. How many here would have picked Communist China had they been asked a straight (no looking it up), "where is the world's freest economy" question, even on a multiple choice?
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