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Offline weaselsan

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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2005, 07:08:13 PM »
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100LL is "low lead", but a friend of mine told me that it has more lead in it than regular gasoline/ethyl.  It would be sure to fork up your catalytic converter.

Don't feel bad. I've just done a calculation which tells me we're paying more than $6 per US gallon in Britain (90p per litre).

The problem in America is due in part to American motorists cravings for sport utility vehicles or SUVs, which are disastrous in terms of fuel consumption. The problem is further compounded by the blinkered thinking that it is their "right" to drive whatever they like, and to hell with the issue of oil resources, which they consider to be "someone else's problem". We even see it on this board - someone posts a pic of the "best" car, which usually means fastest or (more to the point) faster than the car picture posted by the previous person in the thread.

Think of your gas prices as a wake up call. It's time to stop raping this planet for its natural resources. I'm paying at least twice as much for fuel as American motorists pay, but how often do you hear me complain about it? But these howls of anguish about US gas prices appear on this board all the time. Maybe if they would drive something that gets better than 18mpg the pain would not be as bad...

I don't often complain about road fuel prices, but I'm going to do it now. I am outraged that in Britain diesel costs even more than petrol, when diesel costs much less to produce, and less crude oil is needed to create an equivalent volume of diesel. In all the European countries I've driven in recently (Holland, France, Spain, Portugal) diesel costs about two thirds as much as petrol, reflecting its lower production costs. We have the most expensive road diesel in the world. (we also have a Labour govt)

So I'm glad I get 47mpg, and can do 500 miles on a tank of diesel. I do about 20,000 miles a year and spend about £40/week on fuel. At today's exchange rate, that's about $75.


Really no big deal. We have the worlds largest reserves of coal.
It could be turned into oil easily. We'll sell some to you....cheap!

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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2005, 07:10:30 PM »
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Really no big deal. We have the worlds largest reserves of coal.
It could be turned into oil easily. We'll sell some to you....cheap!


But noone wants a coal liquification plant near them...and no one will invest in one.
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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2005, 07:14:13 PM »
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But noone wants a coal liquification plant near them...and no one will invest in one.


When oil prices get high enough, or supplies get tight enough it won't be any problem.

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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2005, 08:22:39 PM »
It's that awkward 5-10 year period between when that point is reached and when the plants are producing that'll be difficult.
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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2005, 08:28:50 PM »
Bush is laughing and skipping all the way to the bank repeating the same word over and over again.....    


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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2005, 08:52:55 PM »
Honestly makes me wanna trade in my H2. I pay more a month in gas than what my mortgage was on my first house. It's just a complete waste of my money now, damn shame cuz I love this truck.

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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2005, 11:06:20 PM »
It costs me $12 to drive my '67 Firebird to town and back..... Ptthhhh, money isnt everything...its spring and im drivin my @##$#@ convertible!
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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2005, 02:11:51 AM »
Im happy that norway is gonna leave alot of oil in the ground "for a rainy day" Its worth more under the ocean now than it is when its pumped. No OPEC to think about either. :)

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« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2005, 07:46:37 AM »
Until we figure out an alternative fuel..I wish we'd use some of ours..and not worry about keeping it for later.
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2005, 08:46:58 AM »
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The problem in America is due in part to American motorists cravings for sport utility vehicles or SUVs, which are disastrous in terms of fuel consumption. The problem is further compounded by the blinkered thinking that it is their "right" to drive whatever they like, and to hell with the issue of oil resources, which they consider to be "someone else's problem". We even see it on this board - someone posts a pic of the "best" car, which usually means fastest or (more to the point) faster than the car picture posted by the previous person in the thread.

Think of your gas prices as a wake up call. It's time to stop raping this planet for its natural resources. I'm paying at least twice as much for fuel as American motorists pay, but how often do you hear me complain about it? But these howls of anguish about US gas prices appear on this board all the time. Maybe if they would drive something that gets better than 18mpg the pain would not be as bad...

I don't often complain about road fuel prices, but I'm going to do it now. I am outraged that in Britain diesel costs even more than petrol, when diesel costs much less to produce, and less crude oil is needed to create an equivalent volume of diesel. In all the European countries I've driven in recently (Holland, France, Spain, Portugal) diesel costs about two thirds as much as petrol, reflecting its lower production costs. We have the most expensive road diesel in the world. (we also have a Labour govt)

So I'm glad I get 47mpg, and can do 500 miles on a tank of diesel. I do about 20,000 miles a year and spend about £40/week on fuel. At today's exchange rate, that's about $75.


Thats been the standard left-wing stance on US side of Atlantic,  and apparently the east side of it as well. It's not fair argueing with liberals, they dont have to use FACTS in their retorts--The law of supply and demand says that the less something is available, the more it will cost. Apparently, about 27 MILLION -'gas'guzzling'SUV's' were sold in the US since last fall...bloody amazing work on the part of car salesmen. Now if you introduce economic reality, oil consumption by China has increased exponentially in last couple years, to the point where there demand is up there with current production rates. what's scary is that only TWO of every 50 chinese has a car, and that will change very soon.
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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2005, 09:50:05 AM »
I have noticed over the years that if even one news source predicts higher prices at the pumps... the minute the oil company board members read/watch the story... the prices climb.  It is seldom based on any reality.

Still... lets use it all up and move on to something else if that is what is gonna happen.   I do my part with my two cars that get between 6-12 mpg.    

If a vacation trip costs a couple hundred more in gas.. so what? everything else went up worse... like food and rooms etc.  

demand will go down and then the price will too.  They allways try a "trial ballon gouge" around spring.

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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2005, 12:20:02 PM »
It will take decades to shift to alternative sources to the extent that it matters, so we better find some real alternatives pretty soon.

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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2005, 12:49:11 PM »
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Thats been the standard left-wing stance on US side of Atlantic,  and apparently the east side of it as well. It's not fair argueing with liberals, they dont have to use FACTS in their retorts--
It's a simple mathematical fact that at the current rate of consumption, the world's known oil resources are being depleted at a rate higher than that at which new ones are being discovered. I don't see what one's political leanings have to do with it.
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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2005, 01:10:22 PM »
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Bush is laughing and skipping all the way to the bank repeating the same word over and over again.....    


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« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2005, 01:18:39 PM »
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Originally posted by Swager
Bush is laughing and skipping all the way to the bank repeating the same word over and over again.....


SUCKERS!!  
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Bingo!>>

tell us how bush can lower the price of oil?