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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2005, 08:39:30 AM »
so you start of by saying each person has their own way then you finish by slamming people who play for fun, not to 'simulate thier heroes'


you want to simulate your heroes then how about you try and attack a flight of 300 B17s escorted by 150 P51? hmmmm, oh yeah you'd run away, then be court marshalled.

how many WW2 pilots would have the liberty of flying solo at 20k and cherry picking countless foe from under their comrades noses?


you really need to get off the high horse before it bucks you into gheysville.


fly how you want but dont think that BnZing cons that are way lower and already engaged makes you superior to folk who are prepared to give and take.


selfish pilots in AH are the ones that never let themself get killed, this is the only flying style i hate with a passion....

the pathetic 'run away unless you can win 100% for sure'....how little you know about flying and ACM when you fly like this is humurous to me.

and also this type of attitude is nothing but disruptive.

its not just spits on the deck that can furball and mix it up. any plane can do it if a little time is taken to learn how.

Oh, and btw, your bf109 can do some pretty neat moves if you go slower than 450mph. although that could mean dying a few times to learn how to use the plane.


WTFG on being a perfect model of a WW2 luft pilot though, the resemblance is striking, give that man the blue max..........





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« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2005, 08:53:35 AM »
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i didnt see anything about sitting in an ostie in that post?!:confused:


I  choose to spend a good fraction of my game time in the Ostwind for several reasons:

1) I am very, very good at it, possibly the best in the game.

1a) When you are very, very good at something, possibly the best, it's fun.

1c) It's fun for me.

2) I hate vulchers, I think of vulching as spawn-camping planes with planes, I refuse to vulch myself, and endeavor to make vulching as painfull as possible for those that do.

3) Because I am so good in an Ostwind I can single-handedly turn a vulch-banging hordefest into a rousing defensive victory for my side, just ask a few Rooks.

4) From a strict effectiveness persepective I can kill 2 to 3 times as many enemy aircraft per unit time in an Ostwind as I could with a plane in the same situation with alot less risk.

5) If this bothers you or you do not approve, feel free to call 1-800-KISS-MYASS and lodge a formal complaint. :aok


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« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2005, 09:10:30 AM »
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3) Because I am so good in an Ostwind I can single-handedly turn a vulch-banging hordefest into a rousing defensive victory for my side, just ask a few Rooks.




so can alot of flok in their favorite plane, just they sometimes sacrifice a few deaths to get up.

I know my squaddies and countrymen have turned around a vulchfest in our puny spits/zekes/IL-2/b26s/whatevers, and amazingly enough none of us claim to be 'possibly the best in the game' at it.......


I not bashing your game merely defending mine (primarily from schadenflussie)
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« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2005, 09:14:16 AM »
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so you start of by saying each person has their own way then you finish by slamming people who play for fun, not to 'simulate thier heroes'


you want to simulate your heroes then how about you try and attack a flight of 300 B17s escorted by 150 P51? hmmmm, oh yeah you'd run away, then be court marshalled.

how many WW2 pilots would have the liberty of flying solo at 20k and cherry picking countless foe from under their comrades noses?


you really need to get off the high horse before it bucks you into gheysville.


fly how you want but dont think that BnZing cons that are way lower and already engaged makes you superior to folk who are prepared to give and take.


selfish pilots in AH are the ones that never let themself get killed, this is the only flying style i hate with a passion....

the pathetic 'run away unless you can win 100% for sure'....how little you know about flying and ACM when you fly like this is humurous to me.

and also this type of attitude is nothing but disruptive.

its not just spits on the deck that can furball and mix it up. any plane can do it if a little time is taken to learn how.

Oh, and btw, your bf109 can do some pretty neat moves if you go slower than 450mph. although that could mean dying a few times to learn how to use the plane.


WTFG on being a perfect model of a WW2 luft pilot though, the resemblance is striking, give that man the blue max..........





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I cannot speak for every suvivalist but... There is the mis-conception that flying intelligently is equal to ONLY Bnz'ing. This is not the case at all. Flying intelligently means knowing when, where, how to engage and when, how, where to dis-engage. You can fly intelligently in a slow plane, even a low plane, your margin of error will be less, but it's not a matter of what moves you perform but how, when and where you perform them. Flying intelligently is more of a what NOT to do exercise than a what to ONLY do exercise, I will try to sum it up.

1) DO NOT turn more than 90 degrees with a plane that can easily out-turn you. (achieve vertical seperation for an energy saving position reset, rope, or altitude egress as the situation demands)

2) DO NOT run from a plane that is faster than you. (stay and fight to the death, the more protracted the fight the greater your advantage will become as you likely have a turn-rate advantage)

3) DO NOT engage multiple cons (single cons are fine so long as you kill quickly to preserve your SA) with enemy cons above you within visual range. (you are a cherry waiting to be picked if you do, top-shelf SA and/or TrackIR not-with-standing)

4) Kill using the top down method, suck down those cons higher than you if possible, then kill from co-alt on down.

5) Always have a visual geographic reference point for your path of egress, not just a direction but a mountain or some geographic feature you can recognize in the heat of the moment without having to look at your guages.

6)  DO NOT play with your food, endeavor to kill as quickly as possible, time is the enemy, the longer you spend on a target the greater the chance another bandit will find a hole in your SA and wack you. Cultivate your gunnery skill to the maximum.

7) NEVER get fixated on one enemy, especially in a furball, take a snap-shot, if he out-turns you more than 90 degrees, watch him but move to another target if you miss. In a furball go for the highest percentage shot that offers itself, obeying rules 1 & 2.

I guarentee if you follow these 7 rules you will never be restricted to just BnZ'ing and you will always have at least a 2 to 1 K/D ratio no matter what plane you choose to fly or how you choose to fly it, gunnery or lack thereof being your only limiting factor.

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« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2005, 09:16:54 AM »
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so can alot of flok in their favorite plane, just they sometimes sacrifice a few deaths to get up.

I know my squaddies and countrymen have turned around a vulchfest in our puny spits/zekes/IL-2/b26s/whatevers, and amazingly enough none of us claim to be 'possibly the best in the game' at it.......


I not bashing your game merely defending mine (primarily from schadenflussie)


Yup,  in my Ostwind I have seen many Rooks who make a career of doing just what you describe. I would rather gouge my eyes out with a wooden spoon as get vulched so I will not do that myself, but I respect those that do. Without them, I would have no real reason to kick bellybutton in my Ostwind, it's a unique interdependant relationship.

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« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2005, 09:29:29 AM »
If u want big k/t up a la7 on a attacked airbase with reasonable defence.

U win this game by seting ur own goals and improve them.

Fly what u what and have fun and land ur kills.

Making kills and not land them is a failure to me.

When i am in the p38 i alaways take 100% feul i fly my style on the feul state.

At 100 % BnZ below 50% its TnB time.

Anyway i have all moods. Don't label it.
I have been in fights with high ranked pilots and won em .

I have fights with low ranked pilots who kicked my ass.

KT depends alot on ur gunnery the best pilots mostly have good gunnery missing the opportunity often gives u a disadvantage position.

It all tells nothing

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« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2005, 09:40:18 AM »
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I cannot speak for every suvivalist but... ~

Zazen



these rules are almost how i fly anyhow, expect i dont negate myself from flying into bad odds.

i wont ever run when i have ammo.

i will always engage any number of cons high or low, and often still make it home.

do you really think that just because i fly a slow plane at low alt i actually intend to die rather than make it home?



what i object too is the guy who runs from a co-E fight, especailly when he started higher and lost his adv.

why not at least try to turn the fight back around instead of just bugging out with all the grace and dignity of M. Jackson?


surely its better to die trying to get the kill rather than land with nothing?

sometimes you might suprise yourself.


I can take a Chog up and E fight and take home 6 kills no problem.


but if i find myself in chit, i find it more satisfying to shoot down one guy then be cherry picked rather than land those 6 with no challenge to my saftey.

i suppose it all comes down to weather you were the kind of kid that had fights and smoke ciggys behind the bike shed at school or the type that sat in the library and studied advanced accounts to prepare for later life in saftey.


im not catagorising you zazen, or anyone *disclaimer*
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« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2005, 09:42:50 AM »
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This is wrong in so many ways.

Let me just say one thing.

Newbs like you, saying the kind of crap you just said, makes me realize why there aren't as many "good" fights anymore as there used to be.

No. Not because you bail out when being chased. (btw, a proxie kill is still a kill and it still hurts your presious score.)Bailing out like that will do nothing to improve your ability as a player. Guys like you should fly C47s and resuply my base. Or fly a bomber at 35k and be alone in the clouds where no one will bother to come shoot you down.

Your statement tells me one thing. You have no will to learn. When I say learn I mean become a better stick. Become more capable in fighters... Furthermore, why the hell do you even play the game if you are going to pull that kind of crap? This sort of "runaway with your one life to live" mentality is growing ever stronger these days. Sad...

Is it dying that you dont like?(obviously) The absolute only way you are going to get better in this game is to make mistakes and die, die alot, and in the end, hopefuly when you assess your deaths/mistakes you learn from them.

Some chump bailing out because hes about to be out numberd or is in a bad place, is just that... A Chump.

But good for you I guess. I'm sure you've learned a whole lot more than me in your three months here. What the hell do I know anyways.
:aok

I really gotta comment on this.

 My only answer to all the crap you just spouted above is you don't know a whole lot, after all. If the guy pays his money who the hell are you to tell him what he should do with his game play. If he wants to bail thats his business. Who died an made you God over what new guys do in the game that you can condemn them for playing the way they want to. That kinda crap makes me sick to my stomach. Get off your high horse and help them instead of whining about how they are chumps for playing the way they want to.

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« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2005, 09:48:51 AM »
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these rules are almost how i fly anyhow, expect i dont negate myself from flying into bad odds.

i wont ever run when i have ammo.

i will always engage any number of cons high or low, and often still make it home.

do you really think that just because i fly a slow plane at low alt i actually intend to die rather than make it home?



what i object too is the guy who runs from a co-E fight, especailly when he started higher and lost his adv.

why not at least try to turn the fight back around instead of just bugging out with all the grace and dignity of M. Jackson?


surely its better to die trying to get the kill rather than land with nothing?

sometimes you might suprise yourself.


I can take a Chog up and E fight and take home 6 kills no problem.


but if i find myself in chit, i find it more satisfying to shoot down one guy then be cherry picked rather than land those 6 with no challenge to my saftey.

i suppose it all comes down to weather you were the kind of kid that had fights and smoke ciggys behind the bike shed at school or the type that sat in the library and studied advanced accounts to prepare for later life in saftey.


im not catagorising you zazen, or anyone *disclaimer*


I approach this game as a mental exercise in tactics and strategy, some approach it as an outlet for excess testosterone. Neither way is the 'wrong' way, it's just what the individual finds most fun and rewarding personally. Do whatever it is that keeps you paying HTC. For me it is inflicting maximum losses upon my enemy while sustaining minimum losses myself. For you it's different, to each their own. That's what makes AH so great, there's literally hundreds of ways to enjoy oneself, enough to suit everyone's style and personality.

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« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2005, 10:07:54 AM »
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I approach this game as a mental exercise in tactics and strategy, some approach it as an outlet for excess testosterone. Neither way is the right way, it's just what the indivdual finds most fun and rewarding personally. Do whatever it is that keeps you paying HTC. For me it is inflicting maximum losses upon my enemy while sustaining minimum losses myself. For you it's different, to each their own. That's what makes AH so great, there's literally hundreds of ways to enjoy oneself, enough to suit everyone's style and personality.

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you're dead wrong.

its all about max kills for min deaths for me also, i just like to be challenged when achiveing this goal rather than be bored ****tless for 30 mins for 10 seconds of 'fun' as i cherry pick some poor sap.


to say (it wasnt you who did) that a low alt TnBer has less wits than a BnZ cherry picker is the most obscene thing i have ever heard.

does Leviathn strike you as being low IQ?

explain how super fast reflexes and the knoledge of exactly what to do in any bad sitution does not convey intelect....

infact i'd say the smart guys are the ones who are able to fight and win in near impossible circumstances.



i say again, do you really think the guy who flies into a 5 on 1 intends to die, or do you suppose he holds the same view as you in wanting to kill them and not die merely challenging/improving himself more in the process.



I feel confident I could kick your *** in any plane you choose in a DA fight.

purely because of these diverse opinion differences of a 'good fight' or 'fun sortie'.



care to test that?




I ask you this one thing:


when was the last time you had a 'good fight'? infact when was the last time you had a 'fight' at all?








timid flying but super k/d......... *YYAAAAAAAAAWN*
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« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2005, 10:12:02 AM »
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you're dead wrong.

its all about max kills for min deaths for me also, i just like to be challenged when achiveing this goal rather than be bored ****tless for 30 mins for 10 seconds of 'fun' as i cherry pick some poor sap.


i say again, do you really think the guy who flies into a 5 on 1 intends to die, or do you suppose he holds the same view as you in wanting to kill them and not die merely challenging/improving himself more in the process.



I feel confident I could kick your *** in any plane you choose in a DA fight.

purely because of these diverse opinion differences of a 'good fight' or 'fun sortie'.



care to test that?


Sorry, I refrain my noodle-measuring with disgruntled detractors with an axe to grind. I prefer the random serendipitous encounters in the MA to prove my mettle, we will meet soon enough if fate sees fit, if/when we do it will be your MA tactics & strategy vs. mine. :cool:

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« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2005, 10:17:09 AM »
you can lose the 'cool' smiley bro, it doesnt fit.


we will never meet in the Ma simply because you will never let yourself be at the disadvantage were i can shoot at you, and I will never let your feeble bore n' zzzz attacks come near me.
therefore we will never get that kill msg and find out it was each other fighting .

unless of course you cherry pick me when im totaly distracted by many other fair fights. then it will only proove how lame you must go to get the kill msg.



so what you're telling me is rather than fight and see who flies better, purely for fun, you would 'grind your axe' and 'use up your surplus testosterone' by using stupid words that no one understands as if it makes you seem clever?


oh, i forgot, you use your testosterone supplies becoming and maintaining the 'probably the best osti shooter in the game' tag.

my bad.
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« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2005, 10:18:13 AM »
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you can lose the 'cool' smiley bro, it doesnt fit.



so what you're telling me is rather than fight and see who flies better, purely for fun, you would 'grind your axe' and 'use up your surplus testosterone' by using stupid words that no one understands as if it makes you seem clever?


I wasn't trying to sound 'clever'. I guess I only sound 'clever' to those who are.....not...:aok

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« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2005, 10:19:29 AM »
i'll take it as my victory then as you refuse to fight fair.



200 hundred years ago i would slap you with a glove and then shoot you from 10 paces :aok :cool: :D ;) :rofl :mad: :p


bet my dad's IQ is better than your dad's
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« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2005, 10:22:22 AM »
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i'll take it as my victory then as you refuse to fight fair.



200 hundred years ago i would slap you with a glove and then shoot you from 10 paces :aok :cool: :D ;) :rofl :mad: :p


bet my dad's IQ is better than your dad's


You take it in any way you like. It's not personal. I don't do 'fights in a box' (DA) with anyone for noodle measuring purposes. For me the DA is a training tool to be used with friends and/or squadmates for educational purposes, you are niether...

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