lets do something about buff garbage....

[humble]

I'm getting a bit tired of the miraculous formation flying buffs do....

close formation flying was very very dangerous and the fatality rate in training was very high...both stateside and in england. I think buffs need to collide if the lead exceeds certain limitations (at least some of the time)...

If you doubt what I'm saying...just read "Wings of Morning" or any thing similiar...

[WDOT4W]

if something is done, just imagine the whines...


WD

[SPQR]

I know about this first hand from the mouth of a b17 flight engineer. I was doing his unit patches for some glass artwork and we got into discussion about his tour in ww2. He told me..."forming up in formation in dense fog was the hardest and most terrifying times of the mission. In fact flying in fog and forming up coupled with training accidents far exceeded fatalities due to enemy fire. You didn't hear about it because it would have been a morale killer to the folks at home".

[Waffle]

That's why you only have 2 other highly skilled pilots in your formation

[SunTracker]

SPQR, that may have been true in late 1944 and 1945.  But 1942 and 1943 are different stories.

[MOIL]

My suggestions on bombers may not have too much merit due to the fact I don't use them.

I would however like to see them used in a somewhat historical manner, but that's me. The dive bombing B17's and Lanc's dropping their ord at 100' off the deck is sheer insanaity. I guess this is "gaming" the game as I've been told.  It's the right of the player I guess and it is his/her $15.

It would just be nice IMO to not have bombers carpet bomb a target at 100' off the ground just so they can get a kill out of desperation.  This is just my opinion, I'm sure the bomber guys think otherwise, but that's ok too.

My 2 cents

[Waffle]

Originally posted by MOIL
My suggestions on bombers may not have too much merit due to the fact I don't use them.

I would however like to see them used in a somewhat historical manner, but that's me. The dive bombing B17's and Lanc's dropping their ord at 100' off the deck is sheer insanaity. I guess this is "gaming" the game as I've been told.  It's the right of the player I guess and it is his/her $15.

It would just be nice IMO to not have bombers carpet bomb a target at 100' off the ground just so they can get a kill out of desperation.  This is just my opinion, I'm sure the bomber guys think otherwise, but that's ok too.

My 2 cents

And your take on spawncamping?.......

[ALF]

I believe that a few things would greatly improve gameplay with respect to buffs:

1) A new model of how buffs join up allowing for more latitude on takeoff, currently its too easy to lose your formations.

2) A more workable formation system with respect manuevering.  The current system causes a really bad looking 'position jump' causing a nasty rip in simulated reality.  Happens when the lead bomber is falling to the ground or when it is doing an extreme manuever.  Im not sure what the coding issue is, but hopefully it can be corrected soon.

3) A less 'rigid' formation, where under normal climb/cruise the bombers varry in relation to each other a bit...right now we seem to have the Thunderbirds flying bomber formations.  Wouldnt hurt to have a few formation choices either.

[MOIL]

To answer Waffle:

I myself don't like that either, ask anyone who knows me. I know some of my guys show up at TT or the middle furball Island and blast away at each other. In this scenario a lil spawn camping is normal {I think} However, If one is trying to defend his field or city and "protects" the spawn to keep GV's from coming in I don't see any problem with it.
Bombers usually show up sooner or later to remove the threat, this is fine too. The only complaint I have with it is, the bombers are a lot of time 20' off the deck dropping 48 bombs on one GV  then call "us" tards ?

I guess you have to do what ya have to do

[Cooley]

dont mean to go OT here, but only allowing bombs to be dropped from the Bombadier position in the heavys would cure that IMO,
and eliminate being able to drop eggs from external view

[MOIL]

Originally posted by Cooley
dont mean to go OT here, but only allowing bombs to be dropped from the Bombadier position in the heavys would cure that IMO

Nice idea

[snak]

Mobil,

You cant bomb at 20' agl or 50' agl or 100' agl -

Two things happen when you are too low:

1 - your bombs dont arm - ie dont explode
2 - they arm and explode too close and kill the bomber

Personally, when I am in Lancs and bombing tanks (a personal favorite thing to do), I gotta get some dropped when I'm seeing the TIGR or PNZR at 600 or so.

And you really need to try flying some buff formations to get a feeling for how frustrating it can be.  They dont synch up well, its a pain to manuver, good fighters can kill you fast.

I drive tanks a lot and buffs who can kill tanks are my greatest threats.  When a spawn gets camped - after 200 or 300 deaths - ill up some lancs to bust it up  My best drop was 3 PNZRs and 1 TIGR in a single salvo of 1 from three planes - they were packed in a bit too tight for their own good - lol.

Anyhow enjoy,

Snak

[SPQR]

SunTracker - Your exactly correct! He was late war! I think he said in England, fall of '44- til end.

[humble]

Originally posted by SunTracker
SPQR, that may have been true in late 1944 and 1945.  But 1942 and 1943 are different stories.

Not true at all, stateside deaths in training were very high...so were losses during "orientation" in england....it was very difficult to fly buffs in formation....

[LePaul]

I agree, the bomber guys that swoop in at 100 feet ruin the buff role in the game.

Before everyone goes into their rant about limiting how they can drop bombs and on what, recall its just a few gaming the game.  Other planes have other issues.  La7s are the scourge of this game and head-on dweebs rule the roost