Author Topic: Military service (Read 843 times)

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #30 on:** April 13, 2005, 12:16:36 PM »

Airhead's position is pretty clear from the getgo. At no point in time does he declare that all vets are the problem.

I just don't think reading comprehension is your friend rabbidrabbit
-SW

Airhead · « **Reply #31 on:** April 13, 2005, 12:27:21 PM »

nm, you aren't worth my time.

Airhead · « **Reply #32 on:** April 13, 2005, 12:28:56 PM »

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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Next time try being clearer in your position instead of being so offensive then backing back and declaring it was your position all along and you will have no issue with me.

Next time YOU should try reading my posts two or three times, since you obviously didn't comprehend what I said reading it just one time.

Idiot.

Silat · « **Reply #33 on:** April 13, 2005, 01:00:34 PM »

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Originally posted by wrag
Not blaming any specific politician. Blaming the mindset of the politicians.

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But wrag the radical reps are in control right now. It is the reps that are abusing our vets and current servicemen.Im missing why Mrs Clinton is mentioned ?

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #34 on:** April 13, 2005, 01:51:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
Next time YOU should try reading my posts two or three times, since you obviously didn't comprehend what I said reading it just one time.

Idiot.

I and seemingly everyone else who read your posts came to the same conclusion. When challanged you kept beating the same drum so folks justly assumed that it was your position. Instead of just correcting the situation you attacked me and others and then act offended when treated the same way as you treated others. You could have been civil or even slightly mature but you consistently choose otherwise. In short, act like a jerk and you will be treated as such.

P.S. Thanks for your service btw. I know what long hospital stays and constant pain is like and there are few I would wish it upon. Your not one of them.

JB88 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 13, 2005, 01:59:43 PM »

question. and please dont take this the wrong way...but am i right in that you are saying that serving in the military is "special" but then arguing that senators are not. IMHO there shouldnt be a qualifier made in this regard. in effect, you are arguing that they think that they are "special" but dont really deserve it. but what really makes anyone more special than anyone else.

not to diminish the service, but there are alot of great citizens doing alot of great work in the world.

as far as i am concerned, all citizens deserve to be treated as special and deserving of health benifits.

but thats just me.

Airhead · « **Reply #36 on:** April 13, 2005, 02:24:59 PM »

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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I and seemingly everyone else who read your posts came to the same conclusion. When challanged you kept beating the same drum so folks justly assumed that it was your position. Instead of just correcting the situation you attacked me and others and then act offended when treated the same way as you treated others. You could have been civil or even slightly mature but you consistently choose otherwise. In short, act like a jerk and you will be treated as such.

P.S. Thanks for your service btw. I know what long hospital stays and constant pain is like and there are few I would wish it upon. Your not one of them.

WTF??? I didn't beat any drum at all- sheeesh, you call me a jerk for commenting on how easy it was, formerly, to get a VA pension? All I did was attempt to add to the conversation what knowledge I have of the VA system, not to attack you, Wrag, or anyone else other than those who take advantage of loopholes in the system.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #37 on:** April 13, 2005, 02:32:42 PM »

Talk about needed walks on the beach!! lol

Airhead · « **Reply #38 on:** April 13, 2005, 03:27:05 PM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Talk about needed walks on the beach!! lol

You're right Dude, I let these two get to me and I shouldn't have. My bad, I'm out of this thread.

wrag · « **Reply #39 on:** April 13, 2005, 04:47:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
Yes Wrag, I served four years including one tour in-country in 1970-71, stationed at Nha Be, South Viet Nam, as a firefighting/damage control instructor.

A month before my discharge I injured my back by falling on a pipe (cracked sacrilliac- man there's nothing more painful) and, after discharge, I spent eighteen months as an out patient at Fort Miley...so yeah, I've been there and done that.

I personally know four people who get a VA disability payment, and between them they served less than a year. Hell, I've been offered a disability pension through Swords to Plowshares, a veterans' rights group, based upon me being unemployable (I had been in the "underground economy" for several years.)

I also know a retired E-9 w/ 30 in who's getting his benefits cut, and that's a travesty- one caused by abuses in the system.

Now Wrag, tell me about your service- How long were you in? What branch? How did your condition get diagnosed as caused by Agent Orange? Oh, and how old are you? When were you in-country?

Enlisted Aug. 26 1966, U.S.M.C. Honorable discharged in 1974 L-21. VA looked me over and finally decided , after the DAV and American Legion got involved, it was agent orange related. Was in country 1968. Stationed in I Corp. Phu Bai, just a little southeast of Hue. Flew in Huey gunships, UH-1B' n E's, as doorgunner crewchief most of tour. Got to walk around (grunt) for part of my tour as well. We covered northern portion of I Corp when Quang Tri got hit. Also had to do some work in the southern portion about the same time due to problems in Da Nang. For miles around Khe Sahn it looked like a moon scape. I'm 55. You gonna jump on my age? Go ahead as I enlisted at 17 years and 1 month with parental consent.

wrag · « **Reply #40 on:** April 13, 2005, 04:58:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Silat
But wrag the radical reps are in control right now. It is the reps that are abusing our vets and current servicemen.Im missing why Mrs Clinton is mentioned ?

Her quotes and the quote by Ted Kennedy best represent the mindset I'm refering to. In that we are going to take your money! It's for your own good! Don't like it? Too bad.

Keep seeing the rep's being blamed and I keep saying IMHO there isn't a dimes worth of difference in the 2 parties! Dem's, Rep's, BULL! IMHO Better to just say poli's!

Raubvogel · « **Reply #41 on:** April 13, 2005, 06:02:54 PM »

VA medical treatment should be limited to service-connected conditions only. By enforcing this stringently they would save tons of money and staff manhours. I'm sorry, but 4 years of service 30 years ago shouldn't entitle you to free VA medical care. If you need treatment related to a compensable service-related injury, fine. If not, pay for it like the rest of the population at a civilian facility.

*I have 30% VA disability btw. I recently gave it up to go back on active duty.

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #42 on:** April 14, 2005, 09:39:42 AM »

Raub,

I guess I'm kinda sitting on the fence on that one. For vets who do not have directly connectable disabilities they are charged co-pay and their insurance is charged in full if they have it. In some senses it has become a welfare system for vets since many do not have outside insurance. In some cases I can see some of the folks just slipped through the cracks . A good example would be PTSD, tons of folks out there who could use some help in dealing with it... Some folks are in the uninsured situation becasue they have had trouble dealing with things since whatever happened to them. Airhead also brought up a decent point since as he so vehemently described there are folks taking advantage of the system.

I hear what you are saying and it does not affect me since I'm service connected however it does do some good for the community and would work fine if it was funded properly.