Author Topic: The moral bankruptcy of fundamentalism (Read 1613 times)

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2005, 10:02:54 AM »

IT WAS AN EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you proved my point perfectly. I NEVER told anyone to go and hang themselves. It was a perfect example of taking Bible quotes out of context, and the reaction to same. Read closer, and you'll see I never said I was such a good Christian, and in fact said quite the opposite. I USED to go to church regularly. I've been one time in YEARS. But then, you never read that part, did you? You know, where I said I was not worthy.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2005, 10:05:26 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

any of you who do not realize how much charitable work churches do have your head up your butt.

lazs

Often, one only sees what he desires to see. Those who want to believe the church is doing nothing will see the church doing nothing. Those who are looking to see what can be done will see the church getting it done, and will see how good a tool it is to get it done.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2005, 10:10:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Virgil - telling someone to go hang himself is not a very Christian thing to to, I guess you are one of those hypocrites I have heard about. Its a shame you cannot find from your church and your beliefs the inner peace, wisdom and grace necessary for understanding and forgiveness.

dago

Thank you. Glad you could jump to the wrong conclusion in such a grand fashion. Tell me again where I told someone to go and hang himself. I listed three quotes from the Bible, out of context, plainly stated they were out of context, as an example. Then, everyone ASSumes that I used quotes from the Bible to tell someone to hang himself. Better yet, because I stated what the church did, they ASSumed I was a member of the church, and branded me a hipocrite. OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dago · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2005, 01:08:49 PM »

Ah heck, whats the point in arguing with a "holier than that Pope" type, you know what you said, you can try and shade it anyway you want.

Grace shall never be in your heart or your soul, you have too much anger and self-rigtheous arrogance.

dago

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2005, 02:13:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Ah heck, whats the point in arguing with a "holier than that Pope" type, you know what you said, you can try and shade it anyway you want.

Grace shall never be in your heart or your soul, you have too much anger and self-rigtheous arrogance.

dago

Yeah, I know what I said. I gave an EXAMPLE of Bible passages taken out of context. Evidently, that is too deep a concept for some to grasp. I never directed it at ANYONE.

Go ahead SHOW me where I told anyone to go and hang himself.
You CANNOT.

Me, Holier than anyone? Hardly. Far from it in fact. I curse too much. I drink, sometimes to excess. I never professed to be Holier than anyone. Nor did I proclaim myself a good Christian.
You seem to have reached a conclusion which you wanted, regardless of the facts in evidence. I never once spoke of myself as one who was involved in those charitable works, the closest I've come is doing some of those far better than I a couple of favors they needed in order to help those they wanted to help.

Funny how people seem to arbitrarily attach anger to me. Rarely am I angry, nothing in here is worthy of anger, it's a BBS on the Internet. And I'm far from being self righteous. I know my faults, and know them well, for they are mine to bear, and mine to work on.

Assume what you will, you know not enough of me to make such a judgement, but knock yourself out and have at it.

wrag · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2005, 03:48:01 PM »

Hmmmm.......

for me the issue this post is about has been missed.

Charity is not the issue.

Abuse, by lenders, of the poor is.

Government vs church in helping the needy is not the issue. As the Church in most every case does a far better job IMHO.

The apparent, or seeming, lack of response by the "church" to Government abuse of the poor is the issue IMHO.

GREED!

Is this moral banckruptcy? Hmm not sure I would think so.

Ending of the inheritance tax? Not sure it was fair or equitable in the 1st place. Your family estate is yours not the Lefts, or the Rights. The passing down or on of wealth within families isn't always so BAD a thing.

Many families found themselves pretty much disinherited with the death tax in place.

It can be argued this was stealing wealth from the people of this nation.

But I'm pretty much against most taxation anyway.

While the word TAX has only three letters I often feel it should have four and be considered a curse word!

Those within the structure of our government seem to think it's FREE money. Theirs for the taking and all too often wasteing.

Remember some saying the government had more money then it knew what to do with anyway.

HEY it's OUR money! Always has been!

Oops kinda got off thread sorry....

Raider179 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2005, 03:48:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts

IT WAS AN EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you proved my point perfectly. I NEVER told anyone to go and hang themselves. It was a perfect example of taking Bible quotes out of context, and the reaction to same. Read closer, and you'll see I never said I was such a good Christian, and in fact said quite the opposite. I USED to go to church regularly. I've been one time in YEARS. But then, you never read that part, did you? You know, where I said I was not worthy.

I Never said you were a good christian I said you said church was good. Which you did.

"Judas went and hanged himself.

Go now and do likewise."

That sounds like you are telling him to go hang himself.

vorticon · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2005, 03:56:44 PM »

"That sounds like you are telling him to go hang himself."

seemed that way to me,at the time.

Sandman · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2005, 04:02:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Go into a good church every Sunday morning for about a month. You'll quickly find out what is going on, and see all of the examples you need to see.

...and as an added benefit, if you're single it's a good place to pick up women.

vorticon · « **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2005, 04:04:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
...and as an added benefit, if you're single it's a good place to pick up women.

if you want more children than a rabbit, anyway. probably has something to do with the wait till marriage thing.

john9001 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 21, 2005, 04:26:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
...and as an added benefit, if you're single it's a good place to pick up women.

taking notes, sunday, church, meet women...

Tumor · « **Reply #41 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:23:02 PM »

Any chance we could all join hands and sing kumbaya right now?

Simaril · « **Reply #42 on:** April 21, 2005, 10:47:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago

Virgil - telling someone to go hang himself is not a very Christian thing to to, I guess you are one of those hypocrites I have heard about. Its a shame you cannot find from your church and your beliefs the inner peace, wisdom and grace necessary for understanding and forgiveness.

dago

Ummmm......try reading his post again. In context, he's talking about how quoting snips of verses can be made to say anything at all, even something ridiculous like go hang yourself.

Course, actually reading the post and thinking about it might mean stepping outside your assumptions about religious people...

Never mind

Lizking · « **Reply #43 on:** April 21, 2005, 10:52:12 PM »

The only problem with using church as a place to pick up women is that, well, they are women who go to church. Poke a hole in a pillow and go to town, it is the same thing with 50% less agnst and recriminations.

If you are so desperate that you have to visist somewhere to pickup women, do it at the grocery store-at least they are hungry for sure.

Simaril · « **Reply #44 on:** April 21, 2005, 10:56:25 PM »

And to the primary point of the bankruptcy issue:

Is anyone seriously saying that the US economy needs ANYTHING that encourages more debt?

Have you ever thought about how different things would be if people were simply convinced that their actions had consequences?

And, how does it become the credit card company's fault that they advertise their services? If I go to Disney World with the by spending the mortgage payment, is it somehwo Michael Eisner's fault?

Casting the argumetn in terms of greed makes it sound morally enlightened, but let's be honest: the average American household owes something liek 6 months' wages for services they couldnt afford. It's not only the poor, its the thoughtless consumerism this country has "bought" in to. I've had to work with physicians who were considering bankruptcy because they borrowed so far into the future that they couldnt keep up even with the interest payments. Should they be able to shift the cost of their lack of self control, onto other consumers through higher prices?

And how does this economic issue turn into a religious one? It seems to me that a columnist with a bee up his butt (as gramma used to say) just found an excuse to hammer a group he blames for liberalism's failure. Might as well blame the NRA for gas prices...