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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #135 on: April 14, 2005, 12:20:08 AM »
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Fishu, if i understand you right, people doing illegal
things is a good for the economy ?
Whereas people who actually pay for the same stuff are
bad for the economy?


Did I say it is good for the economy? no.
However I claimed that the lawsuits by the RIAA are actually counter productive and unhelpful for the cause, when compared to dropping down to the sane level of pirate hunt (go after big known pirates, instead of dropping lawsuits at random on people whos assumed to share files) and going into the internet market instead.

1. I assume most of the lawsuits drops to rather young people, like the students and rather fresh graduates.

2. I doubt they have the money to pay off the large debts caused by the lawsuit, which of many will be "solved" before going to the court, never getting the justice due to fear of even bigger debts in a case which they maybe could've won.

3. Causing huge debts for several young people for laughful reasons might hurt the economy as lowered working power and on the extreme side may even cause more crimes and other negative things.
A young person whos got a large debt, what do you think they might do? Some of them will break.

4. The music industry could create more sales through the active internet sales and not destroy the will of people to buy their products.
Increased sales are known to affect the economy.


I see it more beneficial to drop these insane john doe lawsuits, which serves NO purpose at all and hardly affects the piracy.
I'm surprised if these people won't continue pirating their music after the lawsuit, because with what money are they going to buy a crap anymore?
Thanks to the totally exagerrated fees from the lawsuits directed at the john does!



Mini D,

You are ignoring the simple facts too.
These john doe lawsuits really doesn't serve any purpose, on the contrary.

Copyrights existed before and copyrights were violated before.
Every time someone in the past recorded something off the radio, he was breaking the copyright, but nobody gave a shat.
Every time someone was copying this record to his bud, the copyright was violated, but hardly anyone gave a shat.
The records still sold and nobody gave shat, they only bothered if someone was selling copies.

I'm surprised if you haven't broke copyrights during your life time on multiple occasion.

Even quoting an article without the source could be classified as violation of the copyright.
But how many lawsuits you've seen?
Only in the cases where someone has gone to sell the copied articles.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2005, 12:22:21 AM by Fishu »

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« Reply #136 on: April 14, 2005, 01:08:43 AM »
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You have yet to see them do what gunslinger?

Music is being transfered illegaly. Each time this happens, it is a transfer the RIAA should be receiving money on but isn't. That is a very quantifyable loss of revenue. If you can't see this it is because your eyes are closed.

If you download a bunch of music illegally then go out and buy a CD, you can say it was because of the donloading, but it's simply an oppinion and it's purely subjective.


Nobody denies its illegal.

However, the losses are the issue. First and foremost it is a well known fact that illicit sources of music have always been helpful in promoting music (if its any good), harking back to the old boot swaps (sneaker network version of P2P). The RIAA also include overall piracy losses in those figures, a huge portion of which is the grey market which has absolutely nothing to do P2P filesharing.

Lastly, not factored in is the illegal and predatory business practises the RIAA members participate in such as price fixing. Unfortunately the consumer has little power to fight back when the RIAA has the big lawyers and government backing it up.

However, in P2P consumers have found a way to fight back. Albeit illegally - but without guilt.

Hopefully... and eventually, the music industry will fall, then rebuild itself into a more honest business supplying the markets needs instead of what it dictates. I honestly wish those losses were real, as it would hasten the industries downfall.

What we're seeing is Darwinism at work on a market level. And the RIAA is the Dodo.

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« Reply #137 on: April 14, 2005, 06:28:16 PM »
Fact? And how many billions of illegal boot swaps occured weekly? How many did the average person have access too? You are still being blindfully ignorant vulcan... to the point of being incapable of even remotely speaking on the subject.

Fishu, you are arguing another lame point. When all else fails... take it to the court of popular oppinion. The courts are not swayed in the least.

Sorry guys, but you haven't made a single valid point in this thread. Someone presents law, you present oppinion. Someone cites facts, you start to call oppinion fact. It's why you'll get nowhere with this one, and it's why I'm not going to bother explaining it to you any further.

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« Reply #138 on: April 14, 2005, 07:51:33 PM »
HARRRRR!  I can buy my movies on DVD, but for series, Netflix, a DVD burner, and inkjet printable DVDs are my friends.  I also have all kinds of music that I would never pay for, but didn't mind downloading for the cost of my time & Intardnet connection.  Finally, there's Bittorrent which is wonderful for catching TV shows that I missed seeing the night before, or from networks I don't get on my cable tv.  Yeah, I'm a bad person and a thief.  But somehow, I still manage to get out of bed every morning without hating myself.

And the RIAA are a bunch of lowlife ****s, but that has nothing to do with my "activities".
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« Reply #139 on: April 14, 2005, 08:52:58 PM »
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How can they say it is a loss when they didn't LOSE anything?  They can't, there was never a possible transaction.  What they failed to realize is that people would have stopped stealing for the most part if there was a legal viable means to do so.


I don't get this at all.

You can go to Itunes, eMusic, Napster, Weblisten, MusicMatch, Musicnet, Walmart.com... lots of places... to legally download an mp3. Or you can steal it using P2P.

What you can't do is say that there is no "legal viable means" to download music.

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« Reply #140 on: April 14, 2005, 10:15:10 PM »
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I don't get this at all.

You can go to Itunes, eMusic, Napster, Weblisten, MusicMatch, Musicnet, Walmart.com... lots of places... to legally download an mp3. Or you can steal it using P2P.

What you can't do is say that there is no "legal viable means" to download music.


Actually I cannot. Because of licensing restrictions I cannot access Itunes, eMusic, Napster, Weblisten, Musicmatch, Muscnet, Walmart.com ... lots of places... to legally download an mp3.

In fact, if I want get the latest music online the only way I can do that right now is steal it using P2P (actually I pefer newsgroups).

What YOU can't do is say that there is a "legal viable means" to download music.

This applies to NZ, Australia, and many other countries where the music industry has a stranglehold on the market.

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« Reply #141 on: April 14, 2005, 10:19:07 PM »
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What YOU can't do is say that there is a "legal viable means" to download music.


I could if I was talking to Gunslinger.

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« Reply #142 on: April 14, 2005, 10:27:34 PM »
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I can only imagine they are referring to the region codes.  Other than that, I dont know.

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I just feel that if I buy a movie/CD I should be able to copy it all I want.  Back in the early 90's I couldnt count how many times I baught the same album because it got scratched.  As long as I'm not giving it away to somone else (illegal) than my copy should in fact be mine.

I think the RIAA is as corrupt as they come.  All you have to do is look at how they treat radio stations that arent owned by clear channle.


You mean there are other radio stations???  ;)

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« Reply #143 on: April 14, 2005, 11:09:28 PM »
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I don't get this at all.

You can go to Itunes, eMusic, Napster, Weblisten, MusicMatch, Musicnet, Walmart.com... lots of places... to legally download an mp3. Or you can steal it using P2P.

What you can't do is say that there is no "legal viable means" to download music.


I was referring more or less to the PRE-legal "Itunes, eMusic, Napster, Weblisten, MusicMatch, Musicnet, Walmart.com... lots of places... " days

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« Reply #144 on: April 22, 2005, 08:06:00 AM »
Just read from the local news that a finnish internet service provider is launching a video on demand service for their customers.
The customers will be able to download a video over the net for 1 to 4.5 euros and it will be usable for a day.

Sounds interesting..  I wonder whether my ISP is going to do the same in the near future.
It doesn't take long to download a full DVD with 8 mbit bandwidth.