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Offline Gunslinger

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« on: April 06, 2005, 08:55:43 PM »
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050402-4767.html?28636

DVD profit margins double that of VHS
4/2/2005 1:12:51 PM, by Ken "Caesar" Fisher

 If you've ever wondered how the DVD market has worked out for the movie studios, we can now give you an idea. Metro Goldwyn Mayer, better known as MGM, has put a number of what appear to be slide presentations in a publicly accessible portion of their web server. The reports cover a number of business-related matters, including the company's impressive cash flow, information about their library holdings, and more.

The most interesting information details the strength of the DVD market. Between 2002 and 2003, MGM saw a 40% boost in DVD shipments in North America, and 53% increase worldwide. One slide shows just how quickly DVD has caught on: it took only five years for 30 million DVD players to be sold, compared to circa 8 years for CD players, and 10 years for PCs to reach that volume. All of this translates into a booming market, which helps explains the considerable profit margins attached to DVDs. This slide indicates that net profit margins on DVD sales are 50-60%, while the lingering VHS business sees 20-30% net profit. To put this into plain English, your average $20 DVD apparent costs around $9 to produce, advertise, distribute, etc., leaving about $11 on top as pure profit. For an industry supposedly under dire threat from piracy, things look pretty rosy.

This impressive profit margin at MGM may or may not reflect what's going on at other studios, but I think it's reasonable to say that it's roughly the same among the leaders. If I can beat one of my favorite dead hourses, this data lends credence to the argument that studios should provide simultaneous theatre and DVD releases. While theater revenues weighed in at US$9.4 billion in 2004, DVDs tipped the scales at $15 billion, and everyone expects it to increase. Furthermore, the theaters are currently engaged in price hikes to bolster revenues in the face of slightly dwindling audiences. Of course, I have to admit that there is some overlap between the two groups. Many are those who will both see a movie in the theater, only to buy it on DVD later. This need not preclude the possibility of simultaneous releases, however.

One thing is certain: these DVD numbers clearly show that people want to pay for compelling content. DVDs are superior to VHS in every way (save their oppressive encryption), they're roughly the same cost to produce as VHS is these days, but many people are willing to pay more.

For more information, you can basically browse through their directories and see all sorts of information, but if you don't want to snipe around, you can use the opendirviewer to browse any given directory. For instance, this will let you look at a presentation from 2004. You might want to look quickly, however. It's not clear if this information is meant to be public or not, although if it's not, it's odd that it's totally insecured.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2005, 09:35:03 PM »
Yup sounds like piracy is really hurting them....I hate it when people have huge amounts of money and ***** that someone is maybe taking 1 tenth of one percent of it..they probrably wouldn't even notice the difference if piracy stiopped all together....FIGHT THE POWER! RIP AND BURN!!
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2005, 09:40:10 PM »
i love the idea of free information.

the only problem is what happens when there is no longer incentive to produce?

downloaded that free word processor that nuke suggested the other night.  

seems there may be alternatives.

love open source.

love it.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2005, 09:41:21 PM »
It should be okay to steal if you steal only from someone who has just a whole lot of money.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2005, 09:44:06 PM »
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It should be okay to steal if you steal only from someone who has just a whole lot of money.


Well someone who is so rich..that they won't notice:D
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2005, 09:56:13 PM »
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It should be okay to steal if you steal only from someone who has just a whole lot of money.


No it should not be ok to steal.  But in addition media companys have no right to shut down products or technology that has viable legal uses.  Nore should they shunt future technology for fears of piracy......at a time when they are making mega bucks and it isn't hurting them at all.

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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2005, 09:58:47 PM »
It should be okay to steal if you steal from only those with questionable ethics... who have just a whole lot of money.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2005, 10:06:45 PM »
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It should be okay to steal if you steal from only those with questionable ethics... who have just a whole lot of money.


I really hope you don't feel that way, cause I sure dont.

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No it should not be ok to steal. But in addition media companys have no right to shut down products or technology that has viable legal uses. Nore should they shunt future technology for fears of piracy......at a time when they are making mega bucks and it isn't hurting them at all.

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2005, 10:12:44 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2005, 10:28:33 PM »
I can't say I go out and dog those that are keen on the whole piracy thing... Right up until they start trying to argue about how much someone deserves to have stuff stolen from them.

Nobody needs DvDs. Nobody needs software. It is beyond me why luxuries are somehow deemed entitlements and anyone evil enough to charge money for them deserves what they get.

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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2005, 10:31:13 PM »
...it aint steelin if you didn't take it.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2005, 11:49:39 PM »
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I can't say I go out and dog those that are keen on the whole piracy thing... Right up until they start trying to argue about how much someone deserves to have stuff stolen from them.

Nobody needs DvDs. Nobody needs software. It is beyond me why luxuries are somehow deemed entitlements and anyone evil enough to charge money for them deserves what they get.


but how do you feel on big corporations limiting technology because they are supposedly losing their bottom line?  I keep hearing how much the entertainment industry has suffered from this but yet I read stuff like this and it makes me laugh.

They are Idiots.  They should have embraced technology years ago and failed to act.  They tried the same crap with the betamax/VCR and look how good that turned out for them.

Sure I'm not denying that people are stealing via P2P but the fact that these companys have acted so slowly to adapt and embrace that they have no right to complain.

I'm not justifying piracy I'm speaking out against the RIAA AND MPAA for wanting to sue inovative technology out of existance.

Why can't I have a card reader on my Tivo and store my recordings for later use or be able to watch them on another TV?????

Answer:  because it MIGHT encourage piracy!

It's fricken dumb!

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2005, 12:13:54 AM »
Well, the big music companies put no effort whatsoever into the digital music "revolution", in fact back in the days of MP2's they trashed it. The people said "we want to buy digital music", the same companies that make up the RIAA said "f**k off".

Then came along some businessmen to the music companies who said "we want to set up web sites and sell music digitally", and those big music companies said "f**k off".

So, everybody started "stealing" the music, downloading MP3s, because they couldn't buy the music the way the wanted (or at all in some cases). MP3 players grew and grew...

Then all of sudden the digital market, albeit illegal, was huge and massive, and now all those music companies want in on the technology and want to control the technology.

If a company behaves in a monopolistic and predatory manner, that prevents new services that the market is demanding, then this is what happens.

The members of the RIAA have nobody to blame but themselves. They tried to stiffle competition and innovation, and it backfired on them. Ha bloody ha... like the man says... rip & burn!

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2005, 12:30:19 AM »
Piracy nothing, I want the people who make the stupid commercials/promos and anti-piracy crap on DVDs I rent go away.  Just gimme the damn menu so I can hit PLAY.

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2005, 01:01:55 AM »
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DVDs are superior to VHS in every way (save their oppressive encryption),


oppressive encryption?

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