Author Topic: 109G10 V Spitfire MK V or Seafire (Read 1532 times)

Grits · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2005, 07:57:39 AM »

Heck, most think BnZ is E-fighting, they dont even know there is a difference.

Simaril · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2005, 07:57:41 AM »

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Spit: Die a lot more in the beginning but learn much faster

109: Live longer but learn slower since you can run from your mistake

Not saying one or the other is correct, just preference. If it works for you, then go with it.

I gotta agree, Dud. I started with the Dora, and didnt learn a lot for months. When I got bold enough to try the Spit, i began UNDERSTANDING the maneuvers I'd read about. I feel like I'm really just beginning to "get" AH, even though I've played for a year.

I've also found that the effects of learning energy fighting first can be subtle -- I find I tend to make my maneuvers far too "relaxed' because I subconciously am conserving energy like the old days....

thrila · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2005, 08:05:55 AM »

Once you learn how to turnfight, the same principles can be applied to any fighter. I believe that the temptation to run is too great when learning in a fast plane, which is fine until the person finds himself in a postition when he cannot simply put the nose down and escape. I cannot count how many times i've dived on a la7,D9,tiffie etc and they've attempted to run only for me to close to d200 and shoot them down.

wetrat · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2005, 01:09:06 PM »

The G10 is NOT newb friendly. At all. It's a great plane if and ONLY if you know how to work the throttle / force overshoots. Neither of which a newb is likely to be capable of. I'd say stick to spits for a while.

wrag · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2005, 03:01:21 PM »

Diving out of a fight to escape while in a G10 is very nearly sucide IMHO.

Turn roll etc. but climb! Don't dive! The faster you go above 450/500 (depending on your starting alt) the less control response you have. Add in the fact that the P47, P51, spit, LA7, etc. actually turn and roll better then the G10 at really high speed.

As stated earlier learn the throttle and rudder and to turn or roll etc seeking greater seperation or seeking an in close overshoot.

Dive only for a little speed for a climbing turn/roll or evasive manuver.

GScholz · « **Reply #35 on:** April 23, 2005, 03:22:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Heck, most think BnZ is E-fighting, they dont even know there is a difference.

B&Z is E fighting. However, it is only one form of E fighting.

68DevilM · « **Reply #36 on:** April 23, 2005, 05:08:02 PM »

id have to say that for furballing the spit wins 9 out of 10 times over the 109

DipStick · « **Reply #37 on:** April 23, 2005, 09:34:54 PM »

2 totally different planes for different flying styles. You said "until I have mastered the basics of trying to last in a fight/Furball".

This has nothing to do with a G-10. It is an e-fighter.

For furballing fly the Spit5, Zeke or Hurri2. All of these are alot of fun.

Grits · « **Reply #38 on:** April 23, 2005, 09:50:05 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
B&Z is E fighting. However, it is only one form of E fighting.

Bore and snore has absolutely nothing to do with E-fighting. E-fighting is about pitting your energy state (or your planes ability to gain or lose energy quickly relative to theirs) against your enemies energy state and working it to your advantage.

BnZ is just a fancy term for "HO and extend 5k , reverse for another HO, repeat ad nauseum" that makes BnZ'ers feel better about what they are doing.

To the original question, I'd agree with others that the Spits or Hurricanes are good choices to stay with until you get some time under your belt.

nopoop · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2005, 10:39:47 PM »

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BnZ is just a fancy term for "HO and extend 5k , reverse for another HO, repeat ad nauseum"

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nopoop · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2005, 10:42:34 PM »

Missing my first pass conserving energy I extend..

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nopoop · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2005, 10:43:45 PM »

Missing my second pass I extend..

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nopoop · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2005, 10:45:55 PM »

Having lost too much energy on the second pass and see I might not have the advantage if I reengage I extend..

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BnZ is just a fancy term for "HO and extend 5k , reverse for another HO, repeat ad nauseum"

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GScholz · « **Reply #43 on:** April 23, 2005, 11:50:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Bore and snore has absolutely nothing to do with E-fighting. E-fighting is about pitting your energy state (or your planes ability to gain or lose energy quickly relative to theirs) against your enemies energy state and working it to your advantage.

Wrong and right. Speed is perhaps the most important form of energy in air combat. Climb is second. 190s use superior speed to make slashing attacks; this is why they make poor 1:1 duelling planes. 109s use superior climb to make vertical slashing attacks and roping manoeuvres. 109s are excellent duelling planes. You may not like it, but B&Z is a form of E fighting, and the most used form of fighting in real life.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 24, 2005, 01:45:02 AM »

I actually started off with the P51B. It took roscoroo to teach me the basics of the merge. After that, everything was easy.

Pick any plane you want to fly. Not necessarily a plane that is easy. In the process of having fun with the plane you love, you'll learn how to fly better then in a Spit 5 or in a 109G10.