Author Topic: Rommel-Nile Delta (Read 1343 times)

agent 009 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 23, 2005, 10:51:43 PM »

Heyn Grun. Um yah I know. I'm tryin to figure out what would have been of value in Alexandria & nile delta in terms of supplies for armee.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #16 on:** April 23, 2005, 11:04:20 PM »

Well they probably would ahve captured a lot of stuff as the British fled. Afrika Corps cerainly capured British supplies before when it forced thme to run.

agent 009 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2005, 11:57:20 PM »

Yah, I read that at one point 85% of their supply trucks were British. With fall of Alexandria, one would think all types of vehicles would be appropriated, civilian as well as military. heavy equipment such as trucks, road maintenance vehicles etc.

Tilt · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2005, 03:52:58 AM »

With the British defeated in Egypt Palestine and what is now Iraq was totally open.

Plus Suez gave access to the Persian Gulf and Indian oceans

Hitlers dream was to join up with the 6th Army which was making for Stalingrad and the Caucasus.

Then it all went pear shaped.

Regardless of this the bulk of Britians "Commonwealth" armies were tied up in North Africa unable to assist in mainland Europe as they had in 1914/8.

Overlag · « **Reply #19 on:** April 24, 2005, 05:06:04 PM »

passage into the middle east = OIL (or was it not found then?)

it also means they gain control of suez cannal........ = BAD NEWS FOR BRITAIN

LtPillur · « **Reply #20 on:** April 25, 2005, 01:05:20 AM »

Ain't you done with your history paper yet 009?? Geez.
Peace
pillur

LTARokit · « **Reply #21 on:** April 25, 2005, 11:58:21 AM »

AAAHHHH...but the ultimate prize........unlimited OIL...= Fuel

Which then the Germans would have been faced with a bigger problem........transporting unlimited oil supplies back to Germany, not to mention keeping refineries operational since u know they would have become priority targets along with transports.

By bombing the middle eastern refineries back into the stone age due to German capture, what effect would that have had on the Allied effort??

Hypothetically speaking of course

Overlag · « **Reply #22 on:** April 25, 2005, 12:54:57 PM »

If germany had got to the middle east....where would the allies bomb the oil from? since its bases would now be under german control...UK to middle east flights was impossibe

LTARokit · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2005, 01:42:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
If germany had got to the middle east....where would the allies bomb the oil from? since its bases would now be under german control...UK to middle east flights was impossibe

Ya I know:( Southern Russian borders, India perhaps, who knows. Ya know allies would have acted fast though......cause the oil field captures would also have a neg. effect on good guys by severing major oil supply source. We might have had to learn how to sing "Der Fatherland" had this happened.

However, good guys threw der butts out of N. Africa.

WTG GOOD GUYS!!

LTARokit, XO

Pongo · « **Reply #24 on:** April 25, 2005, 01:58:51 PM »

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Originally posted by agent 009
Well, original question was; what was of value in nile delta to armee africa. Not whether it could be taken without taking Malta.

Hypothetical is the word. Besides I made no mention of whether or not that was a condition on Delta being taken. One can argue that all day, but it is a different topic-thread.

Agreed it is a pathway to oil. One with less obstacles than El Alamein.

OH..
papyrus then. And sand. If all your question is what matierial would they have gained.

agent 009 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2005, 01:41:01 AM »

Papyrus & sand. Very imaginative.

Well how bout fuel? all the vehicles in that large city used fuel. D'ya suppose it was kept somewhere?

All those people in Alexandria ate too. That means food & drink,( a major supply problem across med ), is solved locally. Not too mention all the buildings in the city, ( better than sleeping in tents ), & medical facilities. Armies get tired, they need to recuperate. Having a major city like that solves many management problems associated with runnin an army.

Large buildings also make better tank & other military vehicle repair facilities. Paved roads help make things easier as well especially in rainy season.

& Last but not least, the ports!!

Overlag · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2005, 05:41:05 AM »

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Originally posted by agent 009
Papyrus & sand. Very imaginative.

Well how bout fuel? all the vehicles in that large city used fuel. D'ya suppose it was kept somewhere?

All those people in Alexandria ate too. That means food & drink,( a major supply problem across med ), is solved locally. Not too mention all the buildings in the city, ( better than sleeping in tents ), & medical facilities. Armies get tired, they need to recuperate. Having a major city like that solves many management problems associated with runnin an army.

Large buildings also make better tank & other military vehicle repair facilities. Paved roads help make things easier as well especially in rainy season.

& Last but not least, the ports!!

1: the fuel is supplied by the brits...once they are gone theres no supply
2: same with food, although the Nile is a great source for that
3: AS i said in the Gibralter thread, theres no point having loads of ports because the germans had VERY LITTLE ships to put in these ports. and any ships they did have was locked up in naval bases because they was scared to bring them out to sea

agent 009 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2005, 05:58:07 AM »

Nope, they sent ships across med all the time. As for fuel, often it gets captured. Also a city that size would be impossible to destroy all fuel. remember civilian fuel is also to be found.

Tanks sent to Africa.

So, if I can add them up right for once, 25 Pz I, 120 (2) Pz II, 727 (82) Pz III, 328 (77) Pz IV, and 31 Tiger. Note that of the 1,393 recorded as shipped, only 149 were lost in shipping to enemy action (the 13 lost in March 41 were to a shipboard fire), or just over 10 percent. OTOH note that half those shipped as critical reinforcements to Pz.A.O.K. Afrika in December 1941 were lost.

Key word is "shipped".

Overlag · « **Reply #28 on:** April 26, 2005, 06:28:41 AM »

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Originally posted by agent 009
Nope, they sent ships across med all the time. As for fuel, often it gets captured. Also a city that size would be impossible to destroy all fuel. remember civilian fuel is also to be found.

Tanks sent to Africa.

So, if I can add them up right for once, 25 Pz I, 120 (2) Pz II, 727 (82) Pz III, 328 (77) Pz IV, and 31 Tiger. Note that of the 1,393 recorded as shipped, only 149 were lost in shipping to enemy action (the 13 lost in March 41 were to a shipboard fire), or just over 10 percent. OTOH note that half those shipped as critical reinforcements to Pz.A.O.K. Afrika in December 1941 were lost.

Key word is "shipped".

yes, supply ships....but you have to remember germanys/italys ATTACK type ships, BBs, CAs, CLs, DDs was scared to come out of port to engauge the enermy......

agent 009 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 26, 2005, 07:09:29 AM »

But out they came. Destroyers on French coast. Pocket battleships went into atlantic & Indian oceans. Sharnhorst & Gneisenau went into Atlantic. Many did get bottled up in Norway, but even Scharnhorst came out to fight in 43.

Hitler was afraid to send out Tirpitz I'll give you that.