Author Topic: Deflection skills or ACM? (Read 3556 times)

Simaril · « **on:** April 24, 2005, 05:10:27 PM »

Another thread got me thinking -- for the vets with amazing hit %, how much comes just from having the skill to get in close?

Obviously both ACM skill (to get the clean, high percentage shot) and the ability to judge deflection quickly are both important. Great pilots rack up kill streaks by getting on target efficiently, and by dispatching them quickly.

But what do you think plays the bigger role?

Shane · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2005, 05:11:23 PM »

acm gets you the deflection.

Schaden · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2005, 05:45:52 PM »

When you look at Joe Average's gunnery skill as measured by the tool giving visibility of hit percentage it is obvious that the guys who struggle along with 0.5% to 2.00% hit percentage have a massive disadvantage over someone with a 10% plus hit average.

If you can't hit your target...and 90% of people in AH can't all the ACM in the world is not going to get you a kill.

You may be able to avoid being killed on a 1 vs 1 engagement, but what works in the DA does not work in the MA or CT environment.

Inability to engage and disenage at will caused by flying a slower more manouverable plane coupled with an inability to hit a target on the fly as it passes in front of you means that you will be relatively harmless to anyone except other slow aircraft.

If you can shoot and hit out to 600 - 800 yds then flying a fast a/c in a furball - say a tiffie, means you can ignore threats to a large extent and fire short bursts at speed, knowing that when you hit you kill.....and most people around you can't catch you and when they do they can't hit you.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2005, 06:35:36 PM »

What a bunch of BS.

I have horrible gunnery skills, yet am a Great flyer. I'm not lacking in the kills department because of my gunning.

The trick is only taking shots I know I can hit.

cobia38 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2005, 07:10:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
acm gets you the deflection.

YUP

WMLute · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2005, 09:10:59 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
What a bunch of BS.

I have horrible gunnery skills, yet am a Great flyer. I'm not lacking in the kills department because of my gunning.

The trick is only taking shots I know I can hit.

what is your in game ID you fly under?

(never understood posting on the bbs and not including your CPID)

crowMAW · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2005, 09:28:26 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
What a bunch of BS.

I have horrible gunnery skills, yet am a Great flyer. I'm not lacking in the kills department because of my gunning.

The trick is only taking shots I know I can hit.

For me it is the exact opposite...I have lousy acm skills but decent gunnery. So for me, it is exactly as Schaden says...I stay fast...use short bursts...light em up and move to the next target.

nopoop · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2005, 09:57:24 PM »

I have watched a couple of guys over the shoulder with great deflection shooting. Lazs and Hoolie on an afternoon.

It's an ingrained. I've found it not something I can "learn". It was amazing to watch lighting people up with a wild deflection shots over and over again.

While the setup can be learned the "knowing" the lead just baffels me.

Schaden · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2005, 03:14:13 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
What a bunch of BS.

I have horrible gunnery skills, yet am a Great flyer. I'm not lacking in the kills department because of my gunning.

The trick is only taking shots I know I can hit.

Lemme guess - Spit 9 driver? And btw you're only "a Great flyer" (snicker) when OTHER people say so, not when you proclaim it yourself...and even then having someone say xxxx is "pretty good" is enough.

save · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2005, 03:26:09 AM »

Like most sims - hitting with reflection is just too simple compared with real life (tm)

deflecion shooting at 200 yards was concidered outstanding skill in real life.

Schaden · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2005, 04:30:36 AM »

Agree with that, I did read that some RAF Sqdns were issued with shotguns to enable them to hunt game birds as it improved their ability in deflection shooting.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2005, 05:17:38 AM »

Alternatively you can just wait until you find an F4U-1 tied in knots on the deck with a spit9, and execute a drive by shooting in your Tempest.
Great for snapshot practice.

But back to topic the longer the fight lasts the more ACM becomes dominant.
Without the ACM you will never get the snapshot opportunity.
Of course if you are into drive by shootings then deflection skill is all you need

Nomak · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2005, 06:04:13 AM »

Good gunnery can be taught to "Most" people. Its funny though I have been in the Dueling arena and tried to help people with it and they refuse to believe what I have to say about it.

Then they shake thier head while I nail them with deflection shots.

To be a great stick you have to be able to get into position and hit the shot. Its taken me years to do both.

I have said before and I will say again..... dont judge to much by hit%. This is a stat that is easly manipulated.

ACM and Gunnery both matter. Sometimes good ACM will win me a fight. Other times I will get caught sleeping or out of position or out numberd and good gunnery will save my arse.

Then again some nights I fall out of the sky and cant hit a big red barn. None of it is automatic.

Simaril · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2005, 06:57:59 AM »

Nomak, when are you usually in DA?

I've always been that "limited talent, great effort" kind of athlete, but I've always been "coachable"!!

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2005, 07:29:33 AM »

I fly under the name Punishr, and before that Punisher. I use to have my name on my signature, but it got deleted by skuzzy (wasn't offensive at all).

For me it's the most frustrating thing. I can get right on a bandit's six and use up half of my ammo to shoot him down.

Also, I prefer flying the Spit 1, but recently I've only had time to fly during squad nights, so I've had to fly useful planes.