Author Topic: Me410 (Read 1866 times)

pasoleati · « **Reply #15 on:** April 29, 2005, 08:51:39 PM »

Well, I have read Petrick&Mankau´s book and I think it is one of the best cures for a disease known as Messerschmitt fans. The book is highly recommended.

As for Brown´s knife edger description, I asked him and he explained that the 410 gave a constant feeling that you were on a knife edge and could fall off any time. In short, a dog as far handling goes.

GScholz · « **Reply #16 on:** April 29, 2005, 09:20:35 PM »

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Originally posted by pasoleati
Well, I have read Petrick&Mankau´s book and I think it is one of the best cures for a disease known as Messerschmitt fans. The book is highly recommended.

As for Brown´s knife edger description, I asked him and he explained that the 410 gave a constant feeling that you were on a knife edge and could fall off any time. In short, a dog as far handling goes.

Nice to know you consider me a "disease".

bunch · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2005, 01:16:39 AM »

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Originally posted by pasoleati
Well, I have read Petrick&Mankau´s book and I think it is one of the best cures for a disease known as Messerschmitt fans. The book is highly recommended.

As for Brown´s knife edger description, I asked him and he explained that the 410 gave a constant feeling that you were on a knife edge and could fall off any time. In short, a dog as far handling goes.

Stability is not considered to be a big plus in aerobatic planes. One guy i know who flies aerobatics has a plane with a 6 degree negative dihedral

Schaden · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2005, 03:39:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
I always read they were a disaster.
Looking at the armament and the speeds however, makes one wonder why.
Handling? Being slower than the allied single engined fighters that opposed them?
Then the armament, - rearward facing barbettes, - as other fixed backwards defensive armament just added weight and practically no threat. (Well, the B29 had this mastered)
And climb rates? Roll rates?
Also makes you wonder about the 110's roll rate. Why should the 1940 110 roll better than a 109????

I think a 410 nailed one of the P38 aces with it's barbettes...not sure what his name was but probably can google it.

pasoleati · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2005, 04:55:57 AM »

Well, perhaps rephasing helps: the disease is the uncritical fandom of Willy M´sconcoctions.

The 410 would have needed more powerful guns for the rear firing installation. One MG 151/20 in dorsal power turret would have been better than the twin installation firing one of the lowest powered ammo in its caliber class.

Tails · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2005, 10:40:25 AM »

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Originally posted by bunch
Stability is not considered to be a big plus in aerobatic planes. One guy i know who flies aerobatics has a plane with a 6 degree negative dihedral

This is also why the germans experimented with negative-sweep (IE Foreward swept) wings on their planes. Very unstable, which means the aircraft WANTS to maneuver. Too bad you need a computer to fly an aircraft with any useful ammount of foreward sweep, with the X-29 and the Su-47 being good examples.

bunch · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2005, 01:52:04 PM »

Did the Ju287 ever get off the ground?

Krusty · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2005, 03:19:16 PM »

Is that the super Ju87 with the rotating tail fin? No it was a concept plane if I recall. They might have done a mockup (they did lots of those) but I don't recall it ever being made, per se.

Tails · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2005, 04:23:23 PM »

I know there was a Junkers product with forward swept wings during WW2, jet powered even. They solved the problem of wing flex by the way they mounted the engines. Dont know how controlable it was, if it even flew.

Krusty · « **Reply #24 on:** April 30, 2005, 04:25:38 PM »

That jet idea (I know which one you're talking about) was theory plane. Never made. 90% of those wierd ideas were only on paper at the end of the war.

Big G · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2005, 04:47:43 PM »

Power to weight ratio is what got to it. It was desgined with to many tasks in mind

popgun · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2005, 05:47:33 PM »

It 'was' the Ju287. Only the V1 was known to have flown (the V2 possibly in Russia near the end of the war). A Frankenstien aircraft made up of parts from the He177, Ju388, Ju352 and a captured B-24. The forward swept wing (25degrees) was deemed to be an advantage at low speed performance.

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KurfÃ¼rst · « **Reply #27 on:** May 01, 2005, 01:39:14 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Nice to know you consider me a "disease".

He is just his usual self. He just registered to butch`s board, just to rotten it down with his flaming.. always the same stuff. The guy who runs the derzeugmaister site recently commented on him :

I post not often on this board, but read it frequently.

When I read something like "As for Willy M, he was an idiot, a hack compared..." I fear that the board goes down to the same low levels of other boards, where agenda driven persons dominate and a serious and rationale discussion about all sources available is prevented..

Familiiar quote, eh?

Butch neither likes his presence much, said pretty much the same. Sadly, one has to accept that the inet is full of such idiots who spend their time spitting out their hatred in all available forms... but frankyl, I can`t understand WHY is that so much fun to worth the time...

Grendel · « **Reply #28 on:** May 01, 2005, 02:02:37 PM »

Welll, the initial Me 210 pilots found no troubles with the plane. When Luftwaffe started pushing pilots with little flying experience, the crashes started.

The cure had been suggested before production started, but it had been rejected because it would have slowed down production. As things happened, it all got unbelievable messed up when the production was first cancelled and then orders came from different directions. The cure to the 210's handling was quite simple actually - a bit lenghtened fuselage and some other minor changes, but restarting the production line was a hell because some of the factories had already been ordered to retool for another type, some of the jigs had been destroyed, some fuselages destroyed and so on. It was all a unbelievable mess. The rest of the 210s were modified and used. Hungary built more of the modified Me 210s and used them successfully in the eastern front, pilots well liking the plane. Me 410 was a larger redesign - but came into front lines later, and was not successful anymore as bomber destroyer because the escort fighters, but very good as recon and fast bomber.

Saying "never heard of good things about 210" only shows that you haven't read enough.

Krusty · « **Reply #29 on:** May 01, 2005, 02:10:12 PM »

I guess I was thinking of a different one... It looked sort of the same but only had 1 engine like the He162 and was much smaller. It would have held a single large bomb centerline. I don't think that one ever made it to production.