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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2005, 10:11:55 PM »
& it was designed by Heinkel.

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2005, 08:40:32 AM »
VL Pyörremyrsky began when the Air Force ordered two new Finnish fighters into design phase: VL Pyörremyrsky and VL Puuska. The design was given following basic parameters:
- At least 50 km/h faster then the fastest enemy bomber
- If it is faster than enemy fighters, it may be less agile and worse climber
- If it is slower than enemy fighters, it must be better climber and more agile

Pyörremyrsky had larger wing than Me 109, so it was better in turning combat, but hence slower than the Me 109 G.

First Me 109 Gs arrived to Finland in March 1943, so the test flight results were used in the continued design of Pyörremyrsky. Notice that its design had been already started before Me 109s arrived,. In Autumm 1943 the State Aircraft Factory offered five different Pyörremyrsky variants for production: PM-1 to PM-5, plus the subvariants PM4-a and PM-4b and PM-6.

Of those two were chosen for further design, with names Puuska and Pyörremyrsky. Puuska was to be a light weight, very agile, fast, excellent climber - with no armor and one cannon, with possible two machine guns on wings.

Puuska's design and prototype construction were cancelled though.

One example of Pyörremyrsky was built.

VL Pyörremyrsky had DB-605 AC engine with 1475 hp, one 20 mm cannon, two 12,7 mm LKK 42 machineguns. Top speed on sea level 522 km / h, 620 km/h at 6400 meters. Flight time 1h50mins with normal fuel, plus two extra fuel tanks could be carried on wings.

When Pyörremyrsky test flights began it was found to be more agile than the Me 109 G and easier to fly, but war had already ended for Finland and the Air Force had enough Me 109 fighters for peace time rquirements, so the development was cancelled.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2005, 08:52:35 AM »
Put some photos of the Pyörremyrsky online, here:

http://www.byterapers.com/~grendel/scan/aviation/pyorremyrsky/

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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2005, 12:10:37 PM »
Interesting. I do recall reading about Finnish pilots getting G-2's

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2005, 03:13:31 PM »
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same engine and prop, but larger wing...
that wing had to be draggier and heavier than that of the 109.
they say it had the same speed as a G6, but I cal BS.

The fact that you make statements like that based on a totally insufficient data only shows your ignorance, even if your lottery would turn out to be correct.

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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2005, 11:19:37 PM »
It would appear that 1st G-2's arrived March 43 in Finland. It says below 29 3 1043, 1043 has to be a typo.


Me 109 G-2:
"On 29.3.1043 after captain Luukkanen and Oberleutnant Götz had briefed me about the technical and flying characteristics of the plane, I flew a 35 minute familiarization flight at 700 meters and made one landing. I had no problems whatsoever, the plane was easy to fly and I had no trouble in landing."
- Joel Savonen, Finnish fighter ace. 8 victories. Source: Memoirs of a reserve military aviator 1934-1945.

Me 109 G-2:
"In 1943 Mauno Fräntilä went to Austria together with 17 other pilots to fly the first Messerschmitts to Finland.
We didn´t know the language. We sat in the cockpit and just looked around. The Germans were standing by our side. The plane was quite new for them as well. After a few introductory flights the Finnish pilots already prepared to fly home. The Germans said hold on and explained that you have not flown enough.
Well, we reminded that there is a war going on in Finland and that we are in a hurry. The planes are needed immediately and so we left."
- Mauno Fräntilä, Finnish fighter ace. 5 1/2 victories. Source: Finnish Virtual Pilots Association: fighter ace Mauno Fräntilä was creating the glory of the war pilots.

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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2005, 05:33:13 AM »
Actually the first G-2's arrived in Finland on 13th March 1943, there were 16 G-2's in the first batch.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2005, 08:45:37 AM »
Hehe Scholzie:
"So does this, but if you call it a 109 knock-off you might upset the Spit dweebs  "
Why so? -  because this particular aircraft performed as good or better than a 109 with the same engine;)
And it has bigger wings...

That Finnish plane looks quite good. Cockpit is a tad far back though.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2005, 02:20:24 PM »
If you look close at the photos,  the wing where it attaches to the fuselage looks very much like the Spit wing. It's slightly bent angle looks a bit like Corsair as well.  Forward Cockpit visibility seems a bit better  than 109.

Yak 3 was also cross between elements of Spit & 109. One should bear in mind when talking about these later designs, ( early 40's ), Yak, Mustang, & this Finnish one that it is easier to design a winner airplane when one has 2 winners already in place, ( 109 & Spit ), to use as springboard for ideas.