Increase memory from 2X512M to 4 X 512M

[Pollock]

does anyone run more than 1 gig of ram for Aces High?

If so does this help boost framerate.  there is a rel good deal on my ram at newegg. but if the benefit is negligble I will save my money

here is the linkhttp://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440

[Pollock]

oops i will try again;

http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440

[StarOfAfrica2]

I really dont think 2GB is going to run anything significantly faster than 1GB, at least not now.  Maybe when the 64bit stuff starts coming out, it might help.

As for that RAM, I'm using a 2x512 setup of that RAM  you linked to.  Its good, solid memory unless you want to overclock.  Then forget it, it wont hold up.  But it is labelled "value".

[Pollock]

I have my PC overclocked now.

Amd 64 3000 stock is 1.8ghz

I am overclocked to 2.4 ghz.

[StarOfAfrica2]

But are you overclocking the memory?  And is the memory you already have the same as what you linked to?  Overclocking the memory is totally a separate thing from overclocking the CPU.

Just speaking from experience, and from the reviews I've read from other buyers, the RAM you linked to doesn't like overclocking.  Which doesn't make it bad.  I use it and I love it.  It's very stable and reliable at the rated speeds.  If you are using it and you overclocked it successfully, congrats.  The average buyer doesn't have that luck though, and if you buy more you should be aware of that.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Pollock
does anyone run more than 1 gig of ram for Aces High?

If so does this help boost framerate.  there is a rel good deal on my ram at newegg. but if the benefit is negligble I will save my money

here is the linkhttp://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440

1gig ram is fine

2gig ram will be slower.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
But are you overclocking the memory?  And is the memory you already have the same as what you linked to?  Overclocking the memory is totally a separate thing from overclocking the CPU.

Just speaking from experience, and from the reviews I've read from other buyers, the RAM you linked to doesn't like overclocking.  Which doesn't make it bad.  I use it and I love it.  It's very stable and reliable at the rated speeds.  If you are using it and you overclocked it successfully, congrats.  The average buyer doesn't have that luck though, and if you buy more you should be aware of that.

cpu and ram overclocking is directly linked

to overclock the cpu you need to raise the FSB, and doing that, raises the memory speed.

[Siaf__csf]

Well unless you run asynch rates but then overclocking wouldn't give any benefit except less stability. And that's not a benefit.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Overlag
cpu and ram overclocking is directly linked

to overclock the cpu you need to raise the FSB, and doing that, raises the memory speed.

Yes and no.  Yes raising the FSB raises both just as you said.  However, my motherboard allows me to make all sorts of manual adjustments to either one that affects speed.  I shouldn't assume, and you are probably right.  If he upped the FSB to speed up his processor, his RAM is OC'd right along with it.  My point still stands though, that RAM is not designed for overclocking, and regardless of his luck with it so far (if what he linked to is what he is actually using now), he should not expect that luck to hold in a second purchase of the same stuff.  Irregardless, we both agree he wont see any increase in speed by adding another GB of RAM, whether its OC'd or not.

[eagl]

Raising the FSB does not always raise the memory speed, as many motherboards allow for a memory speed divider which can reduce the memory speed back down again.

[Schutt]

Specially with the Athlon64 3000 the ram access will be slower with 4 sticks of memory and if its diffrent ram type it might not work. Make sure to check your motherboard manual and best would be to have 4 sticks of the same type and brand.

AH2 itself doesnt seem to be at the memory limit, so i doubt it will be much faster with more ram.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by eagl
Raising the FSB does not always raise the memory speed, as many motherboards allow for a memory speed divider which can reduce the memory speed back down again.

no it wont, you have to select it yourself. however there isnt really much point doing that

upping the FSB will overclock the ram.

[Pollock]

I may have had to reduce my timings for memory to overclock. If that is the case I wonder if my overclock of the cpu is self defeating my system performance. I will set my system to default and see how my framerates are.

What is a good memory for overclocking ?

Here is my current bios settings :

Cpu clock 2403mhz
Ddr clock 222mhz

Dram config:
Max mem clock 166
Mem time 1t
Tcl latency 2.5
Ras to cas trcd 4
Tras min ras 10
Row pre charge time 4
Ht freq 3x
Fsb 267
Agp 66
Cpu volts 5%
Memory volts 2.70
Agp volts 1.50

Vid bios

Agp apeture 128m agp 3.0 sp = 4x
Agp 2.0 sp = auto
Agp fastwrite = off
Sys bios cachable = off
Cpu idle temp =
50c

[eagl]

Overlag,

You're funny.

And wrong.

Upping the FSB only overclocks the memory if you set the memory divider to a multiple that will run it faster than rated speed.  Since you have to manually increase the FSB, manually decreasing the memory multiplier isn't exactly rocket science.  Only a complete idiot would increase the FSB and assume that leaving everything else set to "auto" would work.

In some limited, retarded sense of the word "always", manually changing the default bios settings to increase the FSB will "always" overclock the memory.  The obvious and general exception to this of course is the situation where the person making the manual bios adjustments necessary to increase the FSB makes the conscious decision "I do not want to overclock my memory", and completes the overclocking job by adjusting any other bios settings necessary to keep memory speeds within their design limits.

Why insist on spreading FUD and misinformation about overclocking, especially when it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about?  Just say no, and quit trying to scare people with unnecessary and untrue dire predictions.

I've been biting my tongue and correcting this kind of BS at work for 2 days now, and I guess I don't have any reason to let you spread misinformation in here without a response.

[eagl]

Pollock,

I recently saw an A64 overclocking article that used a dozen or more benchmarks to correlate overall system speed to memory speed, memory latency, and cpu speed.  Their conclusion was that increasing memory speed or reducing memory latency alone had a measurable but limited impact on system speed, however increasing A64 cpu speed was effective even when not matched by an increase in memory speed.

They suggest that it's due to the memory controller being on the cpu die, so overclocking the cpu is unusually effective on overall system performance with A64s.

So a cpu overclock in an Athlon 64 system may give you positive results even if you have to slow down the memory a bit.  You'll just have to give it a shot and see if it helps in the apps you run.  Knowing that AH2 seems to be mostly cpu limited, I think it may help.

If you really want to overclock your memory too, memory sticks that use "TCCD" chips seem to be the ones to get.  Many manufacturers sell these under several brands.  OCZ brand memory seems to be high quality but they cost a lot.  "OCZ EL Platinum Rev 2" is supposedly one of the better ones, but as I went with crucial ballistix memory that uses different chips, I haven't kept up with what brands use TCCD chips.