Scapegoat or mastermind in torturing prisoners?

[john9001]

"" How much did they hurt your efforts to calm things down in Iraq?"""

compared to what saddam and his idiot sons did to the people it was nothing.

GScholz, your outrage is missplaced , you should be comdeming the butchers that are killing the Iraq people right now with car bombs.

lets hear it scholz, tell us the bombers are bad mens and what you will do about them.

[GREENTENERAL]

I'm not positive, but I think that 10 years is a hellofalongtime for what he is being sent away for, unless he will be separated from the others.  Or maybe he will become some kind of prison king, not shure what the consencus is in prison.

[john9001]

""the respect you lost in the Arab world.""

your right , maybe if we stoned their women they would "respect" us.

[Fishu]

No way all this could've happened without someone higher up in the chain of command.
Besides it hasn't only happened at Abu Ghraib and also brits have done same kind of things.

I find it hard to believe no officer would've known of these cases and in a case like these, the officers in charge should been also held responsible.
As large scale things do not happen for days without the officers knowledge.
Brits for example had paraded the prisoners in abusive manner in broad daylight...  can't say "oh, I didn't know of it", unless the officer is blind and deaf.

[Staga]

LePaul; sorry but I already made Airhead my beatch and I'm not interested about having other one running on my feet.
So just pack your things and go back humping your r2d2 and talk watermelon abot others in a board where they're not able to reply. You boys at Check-six are true ladies (in a good way of course; no offence).

back to the topic...
I'd say 10 year is a bit too much; after all it looks like the torturing treatment was mostly psychological and without everlasting physical damage.

Then again thinking this guy was the highest ranking soldier who knew this was happening sounds naive, IMHO he was sacrified so publicity and press would have something to chew and then forget whole thing.

[Skydancer]

Perhaps if we'd never gone to war in Iraq that guy wouldn't be in clink now! All those troopers wouldn't be dead all those Iraqi's wouldn't be dead, there wouldn't be such an upsurge in terrorism and .......

Oh well hindsight is a wonderfull thing.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Skydancer

Oh well hindsight is a wonderfull thing.

Considering where you keep your head up all the time , you should be the expert on "hindsight".

[Jackal1]

The whole thing is smoke and mirrors and slight of hand to appease some fat cat, desk warriors.

[Gunslinger]

GScholz,

The same argument you make for executing these guys could be made excusing the abuse.  

Justify it because it helps the war effort.

Alot of us have said it all alonge.  WE are better than the insurgents.  We ARE civil and have a code of laws.  If those laws are broken we act accordingly.

I don't think justice was blind when the punishments were divied out here but she was when the cause to prosicute came about.

[lasersailor184]

The truth is that it's actually both a Scapegoating and real criminal.


Once that info got out, some people needed to hang (metaphorically).

[Skydancer]

It doesn't!

Sadly since WW2 they haven't realy learned that and I'm not sure our army  did either! We have a longer history of it!

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by GScholz
How does abusing prisoners and pizzing-off the people you're trying to convince you're the good guys help the war effort?

I was referring to your statement of executing them.  Both of them are extremes and un-justified.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by GScholz
Well, you have executed you own soldiers for lesser crimes like rape and desertion in previous conflicts. Why so ... lenient now?

And if they had been civilians in the US doing these crimes to Americans most of you guys here would rally for a virtual O' Club lynching (and Lazs would use it as an argument against gun control).

1.  Those conflicts were service members were executed were almost 40 years ago.  IIRC the last military prisoner executed was in 1964.

2.  While I agree with you that the crimes caused extreme grief for the US military in Iraq, the crimes themselves are not as extreme to warrent execution.

By justifying their execution you are stating that while the crimes they committed arent that extreme but, the results are.

by that margin one could say while the abuse they recieved is not that extreme (as compared to other prisoner/torture related cases in other conflicts) the intellegence gathered/ease of interrogations is....thus justifying the abuse.  

The UCMJ is written in black and white for a reason.

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Staga
LePaul; sorry but I already made Airhead my beatch and I'm not interested about having other one running on my feet.
So just pack your things and go back humping your r2d2 and talk watermelon abot others in a board where they're not able to reply. You boys at Check-six are true ladies (in a good way of course; no offence).
 

Skuzzzzzzzzzy!!  Personal attack!  Personal attack!  I thought we didnt tolerate that here?  Hmmmmmmmm?

Is that all you are reduced to, Stag, is these sort of insults?  Geeez!

First I aint got a Beemer, so I cant be Rips friend...now this.  Oh woeys me!

[Drunky]

Originally posted by LePaul
Skuzzzzzzzzzy!!  Personal attack!  Personal attack!  I thought we didnt tolerate that here?  Hmmmmmmmm?

Is that all you are reduced to, Stag, is these sort of insults?  Geeez!

First I aint got a Beemer, so I cant be Rips friend...now this.  Oh woeys me!

*snork*