A few religious question for catholics.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by BTAirsol
WMLute, right on bro. Well put.

Yes it was. A good history of how the church began to slowly work away from the word of the living bible by adding their own traditions and rites.

Call me silly, but I'd rather stick with God's word as much as I possibly can, the bible.

I don't believe that a lot of the Catholic traditions are healthy for an open relationship with God.

[vorticon]

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The point is that Mary is not mentioned by Jesus or the bible as someone to be revered in any way. The Catholic church has turned Mary into a distraction, in my opinon."

more likely because having a "holy mother" was more in tune with pagan rituals, so conversion would be a bit easier, same with the timing of christmas (btw, where does it say in the bible to celebrate jesus's birth?)

[RTR]

I'm missing one of my lions.

This has got to stop.

They are expensive, and are hard to replace.

Ain't gonna be much of a "circus" without the lions.

RTR

[Silat]

Originally posted by BTAirsol
Nuke, why do you say that Jesus is not the Son of Mary? Read in Luke that it describes his birth. What about Mary being visited by the Angel Gabriel and talked to her about the conceptiion of the Son of God? Mary was the first Christian Nuke. She said yes to Gods plan.

I thought Mary was a Jew?
Christians came after Jesus died?

And Christians are just Jews gone bad:)

                               

[Wotan]

According to Orthodox teaching, Sacred Scripture is the fundamental monument of Sacred Tradition and contains the fullness of the divine revelation. But the Holy Spirit, who inspired the Apostles and Evangelists in their oral and written evangelism, guides the Holy Church even now, promoting the understanding and assimilation of Christ's truth.

The Bible is meant to understand with in the tradition of the teachings of the Church.

That's the problem with protestants, each of them think they are able to interpret the Bible on their own. Same with a lot of modern western Catholics.

With out acknowledging that the Bible was born out of the Sacred Traditions you have no hope in comprehending what it really means. You simply make it up as you go.

If protestantism was the end all then why are so many different sects? Each claim that their 'theology' is true. Anyone who can read can in affect become their own 'mini-Pope'.

If you can not acknowledge the Idea of "sacred tradition" then you reject a good portion of Christ life. Christ didn't work from a 'Bible' He taught through his word which spread down to us from his disciples. The books of the Bible were put together to compliment the teachings and traditions of the Church and Christ not the other way around.

So what ever you read in the Bible originated from the traditional teachings (for the most part these were oral).

Regardless of what you claim to have read or haven't read in the Bible none of it  takes away from the Sacred Traditions of the Church.

Now if you look into the 'protestant tradition' you will see that 'theology' is adapted and adjusted from sect to sect.

If any man can re-interpret the Bible on his own then in fact there is no truth. It becomes as subjective as the individual reading it.

Luther was a Jew hating heretic, Calvinism is the Bible according to Calvin etc...

West Virginia Snake handlers, Racist Christian Identist all have their own interpretation of the Bible. All claim their version is true. Well they all can't be.

The Orthodox Churches trace their lineage right back to Jesus Christ. No protestant cult can do that.

Nuke if I were you I wouldn't  trust your interpretation of anything.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Nilsen
so when i say "holy crap!", im actually wrong?

As long as you dont pray to or revere the crap you are OK:)

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Silat
As long as you dont pray to or revere the crap you are OK:)

thats nice



im hungry

[Tumor]

This is getting boreing.  Someone please perform a covert hijack!

[GRUNHERZ]

Nuke do you get upset like this when somebody in trouble asks his friends to pray for him?

Bob, my good friend, please pray for me or for my family etc.

Nuke, you should go check out the thread about Bodhi's late father, it should be a good place for you to lay down the law about asking others to pray for you...

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nuke do you get upset like this when somebody in trouble asks his friends to pray for him?

Bob, my good friend, please pray for me or for my family etc.

Nuke, you should go check out the thread about Bodhi's late father, it should be a good place for you to lay down the law about asking others to pray for you...

I pray on behalf of other people all the time, I just don't pray to people. Do you pray to people?

And I did respond to Bodhi's request for prayer regarding his uncle.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by NUKE
I don't know and I am not catholic.

I only know that the only way into heaven is to accept Jesus as your savior.

Famous last words until Satans army marchs into heaven muahahahahahahahahaha!

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by NUKE
Call me silly, but I'd rather stick with God's word as much as I possibly can, the bible.

Umm wasn't the bible a compilation of annecdotes selected by a group of people who represented the early catholic church? And that group elected to leave many papers submitted for inclusion out that would have had a huge effect on the way christianity was taught?

[Wotan]

I will explain it one more time:

Protestants do not recognize the veneration of saints, since it, in their opinion, debases the worth of the Saviour, as "the one mediator between God and men," and contradicts those passages of Sacred Scripture where it says that one should worship God alone. Protestants consider the veneration of saints as useless, since the saints cannot hear our prayers.

I assume this is your misguided belief as well.

In the Orthodox teaching on the veneration of saints there is no belittling of the Lord's redemptive sacrifice, since we ask of the saints not that which is not within their power - the forgiveness of sins, the granting of grace and the future blessed life - but we ask the saints, as members of the Church who have been redeemed by the most pure blood of Jesus Christ and are nearer to God than we, that they intercede for us before the one Mediator, the Lord Jesus Christ.

In the passages of Sacred Scripture cited by the Protestants (Deuteronomy 6:13, I Timothy 1:17), the rendering of divine honor to God alone is spoken of; but we do not render such honor to the saints. We venerate God's grace, which resides in them; we venerate God, Who is, according to the words of the Psalmist, "wondrous in His saints."

You don't pray to the Saints as if they are equal to God.

You simply ask that they join in your prayers just as you would a living person. After all they are not dead, they are alive in Heaven.

As for the hearing of our prayers by the saints, for this there is no necessity to possess omniscience, which really is proper to God alone. What I meani s the Saints don't have the authority or power to fulfill prayers, this is Gods domain.

Asking a Saint or Mary to pray for us is much like a prayer request given in Bodhi's thread or when a Church Pastor asks his congregation to pray for the President etc...

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.

Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb.

Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.

'Holy' like the 'Holy' in 'Holy Father' doesn't mean divine. It means full of God's grace.

You simply don't have the knowledge base to make any sort of conclusion on what Catholics or Orthodox Christians believe. Mentally you aren't equipped to disseminate what is being told to you.

[Toad]

Please tell me that you just went to Stormfront to clip and save time typing.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by NUKE
I pray on behalf of other people all the time, I just don't pray to people. Do you pray to people?

And I did respond to Bodhi's request for prayer regarding his uncle.

Thought I covered this.  I shall go slower if it's required.

Possibly re-read what I posted up this page.  It is very easily understood.  I made sure a simple child could understand it.

I answered your questions, yet you are still posting and showing your lack of cognitive ability.  

Why is that?

What about the histories of the Church are you not understanding?  How is it you can not understand the foundations of your own church and where it came from?  

Your questions are showing nothing more than ignorance.  I would dare say even intolerance, because even AFTER given the answers, which are 100% factual, you persist with your misinformed posts.   Do I HAVE to dumb it down?  Or are you so sorely lacking in some facet that you are unable to grasp the obvious?

Feeling sorry for Nuke...  poor guy.  Why don't you ask some of these questions to your preacher?  He should be able to shed some light on just how totally wrong you indeed are.

Actually, you better not.  Heaven forbid you have to learn.  Best way to defeat ignorance is knowledge, so better not go there.  You might end up being tolerant and understanding.