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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2005, 02:42:38 AM »
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True! Good god loving protestans only burned, stoned and drowened to death evil witches. Just like in the Bible..


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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2005, 02:45:28 AM »
Hey grun, where in the bible is it stated that man should worship the virgin Mary, rub rosary beads, elect a holy father or chant hail Mary's?

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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2005, 02:54:00 AM »
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If you read the bible, it is clearly stated that no man can enter into heaven without accepting Jesus as your savior. Pretty simple.


And where in your warped mind do catholics not recoginize Jesus as god and savior?

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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2005, 02:56:11 AM »
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Hey grun, where in the bible is it stated that man should worship the virgin Mary, rub rosary beads, elect a holy father or chant hail Mary's?


Are you saying every single rite of worship practiced by protestants is exactly spelled out in the Bible, and thats what makes them your true christians?

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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2005, 02:58:39 AM »
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And where in your warped mind do catholics not recoginize Jesus as god and savior?


Why insult me?

I don't know what catholics think, I only know what the catholic religion defines.

The catholic religion calls for the worship of of the virgin mary, rubbing of rosary beads, recognition of a holy pope, confession of sins to men and granting of sainthood to humans.

Can you explain any of my questions about the catholics? Are you catholic??

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2005, 03:00:24 AM »
Nuke, just out of curiosity can you point out the passage in the Bible that dictates the figure of Christ crucified or the crucifix be used as the offical symbol of christianity? And also that it would be displayed on and in chuches, worn on necklaces, prayed to etc.  

In fact does the bible mention praying to a wooden cross type figurine as a stand in for christ?

Why does the protestant religion require these things, are they all spelled out in the bible?

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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2005, 03:00:53 AM »
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1. Why do you worship/pray to the virgin Mary? Where in the bible are you instructed to do so?

2. Rosary beads and Hail Mary's, where did that come from?

3. Is any man holy? What about the pope? ANy refernece for a pope in the bible?

4. Confession of sins to another man. Where is that called for in the bible.

5. granting of sainthood. How is it that the church decides who will be elevated to "saint" ?

Thank you for your thoughful answers.


I am not a Cristian (catholic or protestant), but I will try some answer, even if this will bring the risk of the inquisition for me.

1. The Virgin Mary worshipping/praying, like for many female "siding" divinity in the precedent times, is the heritage of the original Female Divinity, representing the fertility and the capability of the woman to give birth, and, by magic similitude, to give fertility to the land too, generally called "Great Mother" by the Antropologists/Archeologists.

2. Dont know, ask a specific religious expert.

3. Same as 2 with the adding that there is something said in the new testament, with probably a mixing with the "Sacred King" tradition, or, better the "pontifex maximus" of the Roman heritage (in fact, the pope is called alsoo Pontefice, a direct derivation of the term.

4. See 2.

5. If you acquire a little knowing of the way the religion is praticed here in Italy by the masses, you will see the amaizing similitude with the original way the different deitys were worshipped/prayed, each with unique and specific areas of "influence", including the use of ex voto and specific prayers.
For example, Santa Lucia (Lucy) for the view diseases, or Sant'Antonio da Padova (Antony from Padua) for speech and tongue and study problems, and many other possible examples.
I guess that, in the initial phase of the ufficialization (?sp?) of the religion as state religion, during the "capillarization" (uh?) this mix was intended to ease up the penetration of the new religion in the lower masses, generally more resistant to the novelty.
As to how to become saint, see point 2.

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2005, 03:01:31 AM »
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Hey grun, where in the bible is it stated that man should worship the virgin Mary, rub rosary beads, elect a holy father or chant hail Mary's?


it is right after "in thy spare time, be sanctimonious on the internet"

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2005, 03:03:47 AM »
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Nuke, just out of curiosity can you point out the passage in the Bible that dictates the figure of Christ crucified or the crucifix be used as the offical symbol of christianity? And also that it would be displayed on and in chuches, worn on necklaces, prayed to etc.  

In fact does the bible mention praying to a wooden cross type figurine as a stand in for christ?


No, I cannot. Only catholics seem to wear a dipiction of Jesus on the cross. Catholics are the only one's I have ever seen wearing symbols like a "holy" cross.

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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2005, 03:05:11 AM »
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2. Rosary beads and Hail Mary's, where did that come from?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07110b.htm

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5. granting of sainthood. How is it that the church decides who will be elevated to "saint" ?

Thank you for your thoughful answers.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02364b.htm

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2005, 03:08:59 AM »
Maybe only in your world do only catholics wear crosses.

But here (in the real world) protestants wear them too and put them on their churces etc.  

Since none of that is spelled out in the bible are they all in violation of gods will and thus going to hell?

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2005, 03:10:54 AM »
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Maybe only in your world do only catholics wear crosses.

But here (in the real world) protestants wear them too and put them on their churces etc.  

Since none of that is spelled out in the bible are they all in violation of gods will and thus going to hell?


If you accept Jesus as your savior, you are not going to hell.

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2005, 03:13:07 AM »
Do you belive catholics accept Jesus as savior?

In other words, are catholics going to hell or not?

And dont even try to waszel out of answering that by saying something like:

"Aw gosh I dont knoe, I cant make sucha satement because I'm not a catholi."

You cant say that because you seem very comfortable in making sweeping generalizations and absolotist satements such as your idea that catholics are no christians.
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2005, 03:15:40 AM »
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Do you belive catholics accept Jesus as savior?


I don't know and I am not catholic.

I only know that the only way into heaven is to accept Jesus as your savior.

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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2005, 03:18:15 AM »
LOL, i predicted that you would try to wazel out of that..

So, ypu dont know about catholics beacuse you arent a catholic. But you know enough about them to male the absurdist statenent that they arent christians...

NUKE your arguments are pathetic and laughable.