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« Reply #345 on: May 08, 2005, 08:19:04 PM »
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Eegads!  Toad has used the Round Shield of Rationality to deflect Agendaman's mighty Rhetoric and has pierced him repeatedly with the Longspear of Logic.

But what's this!  Agendaman's stupendous powers of Ignorance is preventing him from realising he has been soundly beaten and he fights on...


Classic Thrawn! Completely wrong as usual. But, you probably didn't read the thread.

Toad didn't win one point. But how could he when his point was to simply ask the same question over and over again, act like he was a bible scholar while saying I interpret it incorrecly,  then call names, belittle my beliefs and understanding of the bible because they didn't match his, then finally putting me on ignore for some bizzare reason.

I'd say he lost soundly and made himself look bad in the process with his nasty, un-Toadlike attitude.

He could have saved 5 pages by just saying he dissagreed with my beliefs. Instead he went nutz trying to "prove" my belief was wrong.

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« Reply #346 on: May 08, 2005, 09:46:27 PM »
You don't have any 'beliefs' that I see. Just a bunch of stereotyping and made up nonsense.

Toad pretty whooped your arse in this thread.

FYI...

I never (or very rarely) am on the same side of an arguement with Toad. He and I have been at odds over many subjects but at least his points are well informed and articulated. He doesn't play games when pressed on an issue. You don't even pretend to know what you are talking about. You just jump from one point  to the next as your arguements wear thin.

I am curious as to how you think other people view you. It's not just this thread either.

I would suspect that most folks view you the same way I do, as a clown that just needs something to 'talk about'.

Toad hit it right on the head right here:

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« Reply #347 on: May 08, 2005, 09:54:14 PM »
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You don't have any 'beliefs' that I see. Just a bunch of stereotyping and made up nonsense.

For the record Toad pretty whooped your arse. Just for the record I never agree (or very rarely) am on the same side of an arguement with Toad.



When in this thread did Toad win a single point? He didn't even have a point, other than saying my belief (that no one will go to heaven without accepting Jesus as their savior) was not valid because he didn't agree with it .

He spent most of the thread trying to "prove" my belief was wrong and that my stance was inconsistant.

In fact, I used his own questions against him and showed that he was being a hypocrite.

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« Reply #348 on: May 08, 2005, 11:39:17 PM »
I was bored and started jumping around different forums and thought what the heck let me see what this ones got going on.  Well it seems NUKE has some issues that only a Priest can help with.  So why don't you, NUKE,  go find the nearest Catholic Church and sit down with one of the Priests to answer all your questions. I have no doubt what so ever he'll clear things up for you.   Unless of course a Catholic Priest is already monitoring this thread you started and has weighed in.

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« Reply #349 on: May 09, 2005, 12:30:24 AM »
Matrix, if your read it all, you'll find earlier in his life he did talk to one.
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« Reply #350 on: May 09, 2005, 04:53:06 AM »
Sometime I ask myself why I still lurk in this super conservative/nationalistic BBS.

Among many "Other-nations" bashing sessions, "Amerihaters" witch hunts, and general intollerance-based discussions, you can find gems like this thread.

Yes, it was a dogma fight, by definition without winners, but it gave me another big contribute to improve my personal journey out of my ignorance.

But it remainded me that in this BBS there is people worth listening, the general cultural level is high, and there are always occasions to learn something new.

Thank to you all, and to you particularly, Nuke, because your stubborn research for a point never made, kept the informations flowing.

Thank you, friends (can I call you that?).

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« Reply #351 on: May 09, 2005, 11:06:01 AM »
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When in this thread did Toad win a single point? He didn't even have a point, other than saying my belief (that no one will go to heaven without accepting Jesus as their savior) was not valid because he didn't agree with it .

He spent most of the thread trying to "prove" my belief was wrong and that my stance was inconsistant.

In fact, I used his own questions against him and showed that he was being a hypocrite.


you are kidding right????
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« Reply #352 on: May 09, 2005, 11:12:16 AM »
Nuklu7 is in the house.

Man, this is an internet beating I have never seen the likes.

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« Reply #353 on: May 09, 2005, 12:37:32 PM »
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you are kidding right????


No. not only did Toad act poorly, he also tripped up on his own arguments at least three times.

1. He riddiculed me for believing that no one will go to to heaven without accepting Jesus as savior. He said I was saying  that All muslims and Jews were going to hell for not accepting Jesus, then later said that he believed you cannot go to heaven if you have heard of Jesus and did not accept him as savior

2. He riddiculed me for saying I did not KNOW what happens to aborted babies and people who have never heard of Jesus. I explained that I took it on faith that God was fair and just. He then used my EXACT reasoning, which he mocked, to explain that he KNOWS that they would go to heaven, based on his FAITH that God is fair and just.

3. He explained that I self-interpret the bible ( without a clue), that my understanding of it was childish. He then set out to prove I was wrong by self-interpreting the bible himself. I brought up a post from him from 7 months ago stating that he had never been a fan of organized religion, he got his religion from the things he has seen around him. He then proceded to act as though he KNOWS that correct way to interpret the bible.

4. He never made ONE point. His entire point was to try to "prove" my belief was wrong and that his was right. He attemped to do this by asking the same question over and over.

He was rude and condenscending, called me names and said my beliefs where wrong, but never made a point.

Why don't you give me an example of how he "waxed" me, as he says.

I can give you a couple more examples.

5. Toad said that, if you have not heard of the word, that you would go to heaven by following just two Commandments.
(Love thy God and love thy neighbor). He then later said you cannot go to heaven with "sin on you", in his words. I asked him to explain how, if you follow ONLY these two commandments, how you could go to heaven with "sin on you", since all men sin. He said that if you follow those TWO commandments, you did not sin, "mutually exclusive" he said

6. Toad seemed not to be able to explain the point of Jesus coming to earth, as he never answered that and riddiculed me for saying the ten commandments were nullified as the standard of Salvation by Jesus dying for ours sins.

Toad acted childish and he knows it. I would say that I trounced Toad. He did not make a point and had no point.

7. He then put me on ignore and bailed out of the thread after earlier telling me that I can't handle when "the tables are turned" and implied that I couldn't handle the heat.

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I've been as impolite towards Nuke as I've ever been on this BBS, in any thread.
I've tried to feel sorry for that, but when I review his posting history here I less sorry than "it's about time".
I do apologize to the rest of you that couldn't drag yourselves away from reading it, however.


Then, the exit strategy. Attempt to take the high road (laughable) and explain that my posting history merits his actions in this thread.

And he said I was "waxed"?
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« Reply #354 on: May 09, 2005, 02:54:04 PM »
I believe I will ‘riddicule’ you for misspelling ‘ridicule’.
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« Reply #355 on: May 09, 2005, 03:35:31 PM »
Trust me... use the button.  ;)
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« Reply #356 on: May 09, 2005, 09:05:15 PM »
Catholicism is the original sect of the christ followers, therefore the truest. Like it or not, subsequent forms of the religion are bastardized, diluted and compromised versions of catholicism. Just as christianity, aka catholicism, is a bastardized, diluted and compromised form of judaism. And judaism borrowed heavily from the older mythologies of supersahara and asia minor. It's all a rich tapestry.

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« Reply #357 on: May 09, 2005, 09:43:30 PM »
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Catholicism is the original sect of the christ followers, therefore the truest. Like it or not, subsequent forms of the religion are bastardized, diluted and compromised versions of catholicism. Just as christianity, aka catholicism, is a bastardized, diluted and compromised form of judaism. And judaism borrowed heavily from the older mythologies of supersahara and asia minor. It's all a rich tapestry.


I do not beleive that todays Catholic church is the same Catholic church that it was in the time of Jesus though.

The rites and rituals which are done today by a lot of different Christian sects I do not agree with, unless they are validated by the bible.

I know what you aree saying though, a lot of the worlds religions seem to have borrowed from each other in many ways.

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« Reply #358 on: May 09, 2005, 10:15:04 PM »
I'm only responding to this thread because it is a topic that I, as an excommunicated Catholic, have researched at some great length.

First, there is documentation to support the argument that the creation of the "Holy Roman Catholic Church" was the "Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" response by a Roman emperor to the growing Christian faith. Numerous aspects of the older pagan religions were incorporated into the dogma of the church, and indeed, into the Mass itself (example: the offering of the wine is analagous to earlier blood sacrifices). The Romans were unsuccessful in quashing the growing Christian movement, so started a religion resembling Christianity and made it the official religion of the Holy Roman Empire.

Second, as possible proof of this, is the fact that the staff carried by the Pope is the Staff of Ra.

Third, there has been much theological discussion of a certain Catholic Pope (his name escapes me at the moment) who had entire passages stricken from the Bible. Specifically, those that deal with what some call reincarnation. He didn't want anyone to think, evidently, that there were any second chances. you get one shot at life, and that's it. I do not recall chapter and verse, but at one point, a person approaches Jesus and asks who he is. Jesus responds "Who do the people say I am?" "Some say that you are John the Baptist returned to us. Others say you are Elijah." "Child, John the Baptist WAS Elijah."

Fourth, I do not believe that it is coincidence that most, if not all, of the traditional Catholic seasonal happenings (lent, advent, etc) coincide on the calendar with ancient pagan rituals and feasts.

Please do no misunderstand me. By no stretch of the imagination do I condemn Catholics to hell. In my opinion, their beliefs are correct as far as they have been taught. I have come to the belief that the Roman Catholic Church was founded in heresy, and its followers have been deceived. If anyone, the deceivers will burn, not the deceived. Further, I believe that organized religion was intended as a means of protection (read as "Strength in numbers") from persecution, but has outlived its usefulness. No man has the right to tell any other that his way is wrong simply because he does not conform to conventional ideas of faith.

I consider myself a deeply spirtual person. I do have a personal relationship with my Creator. If I go to Heaven, it will NOT be because I stood in front of 300 people and cried as someone asked me if I accept Jesus Christ as my Saviour. It will be because I simply do.
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« Reply #359 on: May 09, 2005, 10:37:15 PM »
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I'm only responding to this thread because it is a topic that I, as an excommunicated Catholic,  


You must have REALLY pissed 'em off.
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