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Offline Eagler

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« on: September 13, 2001, 02:03:00 PM »
If Iraq indeed hired/instructed/asked Bin Laden to mastermind this attack:
Does Bush Jr have the guts and backing of the country/world to finish the job once and for all? If the Taliban quickly gives Osama Bin Laden over to us, how do we know it is really even Bin Laden? Couldn't they doctor up a look alike to take the fall? Do we have DNA on file to confirm? On the other hand, wouldn't Sadam quickly sacrifice him to us to divert attention away from the real root of evil here? Wouldn't Israeli gov want to point us at Palestine instead of Iraq?

Even if Sadam had nothing to do with it (which I doubt) we should drop a fat one on his arse for good measure anyway..

JERUSALEM [MENL--9/12/01] -- Iraq is believed to have recruited Saudi
billionaire fugitive Osama Bin Laden and his Islamic allies to carry out
the suicide attacks around the United States.

Israeli officials and intelligence analysts said the suicide hijackings
that downed the World Trade Center and destroyed parts of the Pentagon
was too large an operation for any one group. The analysts said the
operation was also too big even for a coalition of Islamic terrorists
headed by Saudi billionaire fugitive Osama Bin Laden. Bin Laden is
accused of masterminding the bombings of the U.S. embassies in eastern
African in 1998.

Intelligence sources briefed the Cabinet of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
on late Tuesday, hours after the catastrophe in New York and Washington.
The sources were quoted as telling the Cabinet that a Middle East
government was probably the sponsor of the attack.

The most likely sponsor for such an attack, the sources said, is Iraq.
The Baghdad regime has long maintained an alliance with Bin Laden and
Islamic groups.

"All the steps lead to him [Bin Laden]," Reuven Paz, a leading expert on
Islamic terrorism, said. "Of all the countries, Iraq seems the most
reasonable [candidate]."

In Baghdad, Iraqi state television appeared to welcome the bombings. The
television said the spate of attacks demonstrated the vulnerability of
the United States.

"The massive explosions in the centers of power in America, notably the
Pentagon, is a painful slap in the face of U.S. politicians to stop
their illegitimate hegemony and attempts to impose custodianship on
peoples," the television said. "It was no coincidence that the World
Trade Center was destroyed in suicidal operations involving two planes
that have broken through all U.S. security barriers to carry the
operation of the century and to express rejection of the reckless U.S.
policy."

"The collapse of U.S. centers of power is a collapse of the U.S. policy,
which deviates from human values and stands by world Zionism at all
international forums to continue to slaughter the Palestinian Arab
people and implement U.S. plans to dominate the world under the cover of
what is called the new [world] order," the television added. "These are
the fruits of the new U.S. order."

The Israeli Cabinet was informed that the United States might launch a
massive attack on Iraq and Afghanistan over the coming days. The sources
said such an attack could prompt a regional war.

On early Wednesday, Afghanistan appeared to have been a target of
retaliation. Several bombings were heard in the Afghan capital of Kabul.
U.S. officials denied that their country was responsible.

In the aftermath of the suicide bombings in the United States, Israel
closed its air space. Israel also warned the Palestinian Authority to
immediately stop all attacks against the Jewish state.
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2001, 02:53:00 PM »
What are you going to target in Iraq?
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2001, 03:17:00 PM »
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What are you going to target in Iraq?

good question
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2001, 03:21:00 PM »
If a connection is proven to Iraq I would say it's time to completely remove the Iraqi gov't and take their oil fields for reparations

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2001, 03:32:00 PM »
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What are you going to target in Iraq?


Target and kill Saddam Hussain if his support and enlistment of bin Laden is shown.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2001, 03:36:00 PM »
How do you kill a man who's location is only known by less than 10 people at any one time?

How much 'collateral' damage do you accept do get him?
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2001, 03:37:00 PM »
Intelligence. It won't happen overnight.
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2001, 03:41:00 PM »
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What are you going to target in Iraq?

The country as a whole if it proves to be true. Whatever means it takes to kill Saddam and remove his existing government from Iraq.

I am sure there will be many civilian casualties, this is a sad, terrible, thing.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2001, 03:59:00 PM »
How much 'collateral' damage do you accept do get him? ........hmmmm  how about 10,000 for starters

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2001, 04:00:00 PM »
Most of the world is scared to death of the frightening potential of terrorism today. This is a threat to survival.

What will it be next? LSD or Botulism in the water supply of some great city? Another  hijacked jet plowed into a nuclear power plant, poisoning a whole continent?

No. What needs to be done, will be done. Massive civilian casualties won't be necessary. When the whole world, or most of it, is committed to root out terroristS and those who harbor them, you will see some effective action.
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2001, 04:03:00 PM »
An 'eye for an eye' hasn't worked for Israel and the Palestinians. Why will it work now?

I think a global policy to tackle a global problem is the only way forward.

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2001, 04:13:00 PM »
This isn't an "eye for an eye" in my view.

Most of the world stands with the USA. Sure, those most hurt by this will express intense anger, but world-wide, this is more like treating a disease.

There has never been more potential for harm from terroristic acts than now. Treatment may require radical surgury, but I don't think of it as an eye for an eye.

Cuba for instance, stands with the USA on this, and presumably will support us in some way in our effort to rid the world of the perpetrators. As far as I know, Cuba has not been a victim of terrorism, but recognises it for what it is. That doesn't sound like "eye for an eye". It sounds like world-wide mobilization against a disease.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2001, 04:42:00 PM »
You cant bomb the whole country to get one person.
Targets,  Many
Airports, and every plane there
Communications, radio, telephone, microwave towers
Power
Oil Refineries
Ports
Ships
All government buildings
All military installations and Every piece of military equipment Iraq has
Every "palace" he has

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2001, 04:57:00 PM »
Remember the Gulf War. We "just missed him" three times as I recall.

One time, the aircraft strafing the column he was in got his body guards but he "dodged the bullet."

He's not as hard to locate as some would think. Command and control functions usually result in some kind of electronic emission.

Take my word on this... we're REAL GOOD at that pinpointing electronic emission stuff.

If we decide to take him out, he's a walking dead man. Only actual day/time group will remain in question.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2001, 04:58:00 PM »
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An 'eye for an eye' hasn't worked for Israel and the Palestinians. Why will it work now?

I think a global policy to tackle a global problem is the only way forward.

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]

I'm with you on this one, Dowding.  Those terrorists who used human beings as weapons in their holy war were only interested in their own selfish aims, no matter the cost to innocent others (i.e., ends justify the means).  We have to be more sophisticated than that in our war against this kind of evil.  We can't go around killing innocent people or we're no better than these terrorists.

Once, again, I find it repugnant that any sane person would so frivously advocate the use of nuclear weapons against anyone as Eagler seems so easily to be able to do in this thread.  Sorry, bud, but I think you're dead wrong.  This kind of thinking will only take us into the pilot seat of another American Airlines flight 11. (metaphorically speaking, of course)

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