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Offline Steve

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« on: May 06, 2005, 07:52:42 PM »
A friend of mine who lives two doors down approached me, asking for help.  He had 35k in equity in his house that he wanted to get out but his credit was so bad that he couldn't get approved for the refinanance.  He asked that I buy his house, rent is back to him, and then he'd buy it back(at market value) from me when he could qualify.
 I told him he was crazy, that this was an incredibly stupid thing for him to do and that he should bite the bullet until he could qualify.  He persisted, saying he needed the money badly and that he had no options because he didn't want to move.

My friend, his name is Eric, persisted.  We had the conversation repeatedly over several weeks with this result:   I'd tell him I'd do it if he really wanted but that it was a terrible deal for  him over the long run. To entice me, Eric offered 10k(or maybe I demanded, can't remember) up front to offset the risk of having a renter in a house I owned. I was hesitant to do this knowing Eric's penchant for losing all his money at the casino and the fact that he was in a cash buisness that could land him in jail at any time. Over my repeated warnings, he continued to want me to do this.  Finally I relented.

Unfortunately I had just started my own business and I  couldn't qualify.  I came up w/ an idea and asked my good friend Ron to go in on it with me.  He and I would split the equity 50-50 when we sold the house back to Eric. The deal went through and Ron and I split the intial 10k 50-50.  We both netted $3700.00 up front after closing costs.

Meanwhile,  because of the higher mortgage,(150k to 185k) the payment, and thus Eric's rent, went up to $1420.00 per month from $1100.00.  Our rental agreement was for 2 years; gauranteeing that Ron and I would make at least a little money in appreciation.

6 months go by, Eric was on time with the rent exactly once, complaining every time that he was paying too much and that he wished he lived in a smaller house.(Yes, even though the whole thing was his idea)

Finally, after the 6th month, Eric approaches me and tells me he'd like to move out and asks me if I would consider letting him out of the lease.  I talk to Ron and he agrees, only because he has also started his own business and needed some capital. We decide to sell the house.

Well, the housing market has gone wild and the house has appreciated in a mere 6 months time  from $187,500 to $329,900.  I mentioned this to Eric and we immediately went from being good friends to having him act like a jerk every time I talked to him.

I finally asked Eric WTH his problem is and he tells me that he's upset the house appreciated so much and that he feels he is "morally" entitled to get his 10k back since Ron and I are going to make so much money in so short of a time. There was never any such agreement and Eric is breaking the lease but he thinks getting his 10k back is "only fair".

Poll question:  does Eric deserve a dime?  If so, how much and why?  If not, why?
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2005, 07:58:09 PM »
No.

No agreement.

He was late..complaining

You and your other bud did HIM the favor

You owe him nothing. He just made a bad decision.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2005, 08:17:06 PM »
Well.. you DID tell him it was a bad thing to do, but he INSISTED to do it.
You did get an excellent deal though :D

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2005, 08:41:07 PM »
No, you don't owe him a thing.  I can certainly see why he'd be pissed off though.  

The moral of the story is... don't do favors involving money with friends.  Don't lend it, don't borrow it.  Granted, your situation is a little more complex than that.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2005, 08:42:53 PM »
You did a deal with a drug dealer, and you expected exactly what?

Offline john9001

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2005, 08:47:27 PM »
split the net profit three ways.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2005, 08:51:11 PM »
depends.  is Eric a friend?  A real friend?  If he is, then yeah, you should kick him back some money.  If he isn't, then no, don't give him a dime.
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2005, 09:43:14 PM »
If he was being nice I would be nice. Since he is being a dick and didnt stick to the deal screwem.

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2005, 09:59:00 PM »
If the market had dropped and you had to sell and lost money, would he have helped cover your loose?

Hell no.

You owe him nothing.

Business is business.  

He did the deal, he sold any and all interests in it, including any rights to future profits.

Dont let a whining fool feeling sorry for himself make you feel bad.

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2005, 10:22:41 PM »
If you value your friendship or fear for your personal safety/effects give him the $10K, it should not break up a friendship nor is it worth getting shot over.

If neither of those are an issue give him $5K so you can feel really good about yourself and sleep like a baby, plus even he must realize you are just being generous at that point..

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2005, 10:28:13 PM »
This cannot be answered by anyone other than yourself.
  Is he a casual aquantance or is he a bro?
  When you answer that to yourself you will have the answer.
  Money is less than Jack watermelon when it comes to bros.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2005, 10:34:28 PM »
If he's a good friend, and you value his friendship, give him back the ~3700.  He was late with rent and broke the lease, and that was your "upfront profit" after closing.  

Up to  Ron if he wants to give back his ~3700.

If ya don't care if ya never talk to him again, don't give him ****.

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2005, 10:40:10 PM »
No
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2005, 10:45:51 PM »
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You did a deal with a drug dealer, and you expected exactly what?


Who's a drug dealer?
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2005, 10:56:20 PM »
I wouldn't give him a dime. sometimes things dont go your way. tell him he's like kobe and your shaq. You made a deal and look at ya now...PLAYOFFS BEYATCH! if he continues to run his mouth kick his arse. ADULTS kick other ADULTS's arses all the time... after getting the money but a ferrari and drive by his house screaming "I'm RICH BEYATCH!!!!!" That's just my Opinion. My backup is he was a jerk too ya and opted out.

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