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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2005, 01:24:29 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2005, 01:41:48 AM »
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Well this is the question really.  You haven't answered it, in your opinion.  Is he morally entitled to $$$?  What is a fair share?


Look Steve, let's be honest. Deep in your mind you feel it's the right thing to do to give him some money. You told him he was making a mistake and he shouldn't do it because you felt it was the right thing to do and you didn't want to see him lose money. When you made the deal I am sure you said in your mind that if this situation came to pass, you would give him a share of the money. It's what any good hearted person would do.

Now everything has come full circle and you are faced with a decision. What is making this decision difficult is that it represents everything you believe in. This isn't about what he is morally entitled to or how he is acting Steve, and it isn't about what anyone here on the BB would do. What this is about is what you believe in. There is no right or wrong Steve, you may need the money and feel you are entitled to it, that's fine, there is nothing wrong with that.

It is a difficult decision because you have a conscience Steve. Do what you feel you gotta do.
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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2005, 01:47:27 AM »
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a kickback for a friend is worth more than a few measly bucks considering your profit.


Eric is asking for 10 thousand dollars.  To me, that is not measly... no offense.
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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2005, 01:52:35 AM »
Been there done that.
Give him the 10 k and be done with it. Im surprised that is all he wants.
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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2005, 01:56:08 AM »
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It so totally depends on what kind of friend he is.


You're right, and so is Six in some ways.  Ron will tell you Eric is the kind of friend that is constantly asking me to work on his cars, borrow my truck and return it w/ the same amount of gas or less when he took it,  etc.   I want to be a good friend but too often he starts his conversations with me as:   "I need you to do me a favor....."

He's the type of friend that has borrowed money, paid it back late then claims he always pays his debts on time.  He told me at the onset something like"  Cmon Steve, you know  I'll never be late on rent, then he was late all but once.  The type of friend, who has, after having his cars fixed by me for the last four years has had this converstaion w/ me:

Eric:  What ya doin?


Steve:  Fixing the alternator on Stacy's  Saturn, what are you doing?

Eric:  Nothin, I'm bored,  call me when you're done.

In my  mind, a good friend would have rushed over to help at the chance of retruning the many many favors I've done him.
 
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It is a difficult decision because you have a conscience Steve


True. and I was hoping that it would be made clear to me that Eric is not entitled to any money.  I asked Eric once that if Ron and I lost money, would he pay for some of our losses.  He said,
"Huh, what are you talking about?"

Edit: I'm not trying to argue w/ anyone.  I really appreciate everyone's input/advice.
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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2005, 02:03:34 AM »
Well.... then ta hell with him.

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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2005, 02:14:37 AM »
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How do you feel? If you hold yourself to high moral standards, give him a fair share, if you don't, keep it.


Moraly, there is nothing owed to this manipulating loser. The agreement was upheld, there was no promise of sharing the potential gains or losses.

Eric is no friend. Read the account again.

I have friends that I will help with any situation if they ask me.

I have 'friends' that I would never give monetary support to unless it was verifiable financial distress with their family. And then with the stipulation that they don't pay me back so I don't have to deal with the stress of collecting.

I think Eric might fall in the latter category.

Eric doesn't deserve, from what we've been told, any consideration in the profit from the sale of the property.

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2005, 02:35:22 AM »
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why would you want a loser like that as a friend?
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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2005, 03:35:11 AM »
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You're right, and so is Six in some ways.  Ron will tell you Eric is the kind of friend that is constantly asking me to work on his cars, borrow my truck and return it w/ the same amount of gas or less when he took it,  etc.   I want to be a good friend but too often he starts his conversations with me as:   "I need you to do me a favor....."

He's the type of friend that has borrowed money, paid it back late then claims he always pays his debts on time.  He told me at the onset something like"  Cmon Steve, you know  I'll never be late on rent, then he was late all but once.  The type of friend, who has, after having his cars fixed by me for the last four years has had this converstaion w/ me:

Eric:  What ya doin?


Steve:  Fixing the alternator on Stacy's  Saturn, what are you doing?

Eric:  Nothin, I'm bored,  call me when you're done.

In my  mind, a good friend would have rushed over to help at the chance of retruning the many many favors I've done him.
 
 

True. and I was hoping that it would be made clear to me that Eric is not entitled to any money.  I asked Eric once that if Ron and I lost money, would he pay for some of our losses.  He said,
"Huh, what are you talking about?"
 
you pretty much summed it up yourself.

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2005, 06:59:12 AM »
Silat, you have my address... I expect the 10k check on my doorstep, no later than Thurs.

And that's not all I want, send your most available daughter as well.  :)


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Give him the 10 k and be done with it. Im surprised that is all he wants.

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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2005, 07:08:15 AM »
Even if he were my best friend i wont give him any money.

Hes just little whinning spitboy.

You have no obligation according to writen agreement.

He should be gracefull for your help.
If he want his 10k he could only sincerely apply you.

Just forget that little moron and watch your back ;)

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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2005, 07:30:07 AM »
This board seems to inhabited by more financial suckers than I would have imagined.

"Moral"?  "Morally"?

This isn't a moral issue.  A moral issue would be if Steve and his partner bought the house, and Steve made a deal with someone to buy it for under market value and Steve got an unreported (and untaxed) payment under the table, and didnt split that with his partner.  That would be a moral issue, not splitting the cash with his partner.

Not sharing the profit on his investment, where "Eric" did not share in the risk of lose, did not invest money, and only was a problem tenant is the right thing to do, and morality plays no part.

The real question is does Steve have the smarts (I think so) and the spine to stand up for what is really right, and not allow himself to be browbeaten into paying Eric money he has no right to just because he is whining.

Hell, I will whine for money to if you send me a 10k check.

That money invested now will make a nice start on a college fund.  You could take it to Kissimmee FL and fly a P51.  Go to a strip club and make some dancers week.  Buy a pistol or rifle you think would be fun to have.  Get a motorcycle.  Down payment on a Porsche.  Buy new furniture or a fence.

Do anything with it, but do not give it away to somebody who will be guaranteed to piss it away at a casino.  He wont be grateful more than 5 minutes, and as soon as it is gone, he will decide he really should have a third of the total profit.  Where do you think it would stop with this user?

Keep it, it is your money morally, legally and permanently.  I suspect Eric wont be in your life that long anyway, friends like that have a way of moving on.

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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2005, 09:40:53 AM »
Hmmm... You don't owe him anything. Pick a decision you can live with.
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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2005, 09:53:39 AM »
I'm just sorry for the poor bastard that has nuke and steve as friends much less financial advisors.

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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2005, 10:01:48 AM »
When I suggest you should give him nothing but scorn, I should point out that I have no moral standards and am a total sweetheartbag.

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