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Offline g00b

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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2005, 05:28:50 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2005, 07:07:16 PM »
That thing's big...and ugly.
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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2005, 07:10:50 PM »
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Secondly, it does not have a contra-prop.
 
well maybe not right next to eachother ; )

i was meerly speaking of performance and rareity anyway ; ) LOL
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2005, 08:55:15 PM »
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well maybe not right next to eachother ; )

i was meerly speaking of performance and rareity anyway ; ) LOL

I agree, don't let the fact that the Props are separated by an entire airplane get in the way.  Picky Picky.  :)
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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2005, 11:55:10 PM »
When the RAF retired the Shacklton , 8SQN had a zap sticker  proclaiming 8 screws are better than 4 blowjobs ...:lol
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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2005, 12:40:32 AM »
Rofl!
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2005, 09:47:30 AM »
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It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2005, 01:11:45 PM »
Took me a while to remember the name of this thing. It's the Convair xfy 1.





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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2005, 01:27:43 PM »
the pogo ..lockheed did a similar thing ...
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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2005, 01:32:18 PM »
ps regarding the shacklton....splendid views from the nose n tail positions ...but the worst view was for the radar ops...situated above the bomb bay , ...there was holes in the floor ...letting the poor rad ops blokes see the world below em ......sod that !!!!!!!!!, this was when the bomb  bay was opened ....i only went aboard when it was on the ground , they didnt pay me enough to go airbourne in it :aok
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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2005, 01:36:16 PM »
A flawed design if ever there was one lol.


Re: Spit21...

They only ordered 50 spit22s on March 45. I doubt they'd get into production too fast, nor that they'd see any action by the end of the war. Also note this contract was cancelled August 1945. Not sure how many made it before the cancellation.

They ordered 150 more in Nov '45. Far too late.

EDIT: Ahh wait, found more info. There were earlier orders for Mk 21s

700 Mk21s were ordered Jan 1944. Were cancelled August '44. Reinstated for 40 Spit9s (am guessing they used the partial airframes?)

800 ordered for Feb 1944. Contract cancelled August 1944. Partially re-instated for 558 Spitfire Mk IX. Seems the airframes ended up being Spit9s and Spi16s. Guess nobody wanted Spit21s.

So those spit21s were ordered but few made it.
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2005, 02:03:40 PM »
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A flawed design if ever there was one lol.


Re: Spit21...

They only ordered 50 spit22s on March 45. I doubt they'd get into production too fast, nor that they'd see any action by the end of the war. Also note this contract was cancelled August 1945. Not sure how many made it before the cancellation.

They ordered 150 more in Nov '45. Far too late.

EDIT: Ahh wait, found more info. There were earlier orders for Mk 21s

700 Mk21s were ordered Jan 1944. Were cancelled August '44. Reinstated for 40 Spit9s (am guessing they used the partial airframes?)

800 ordered for Feb 1944. Contract cancelled August 1944. Partially re-instated for 558 Spitfire Mk IX. Seems the airframes ended up being Spit9s and Spi16s. Guess nobody wanted Spit21s.

So those spit21s were ordered but few made it.


Trust me Krusty, I wouldn't have said they made it into combat if they hadn't :)

Part of my focus when I was researching the Spit XII was 91 Squadron.  Some of the guys who flew XIIs were still with the squadron when they  transitioned to the 21 BEFORE the war ended.  They were flying patrols over Holland etc.  Lost two to flak and claimed  the sinking of a midget sub in their time.

I made no claim it was in great numbers, but then again neither was the TA152.  And I wasn't really suggesting we get one for AH :)

We'd be far better off with an accurately modeled Spit LFIXe

Image is of a 91 Squadron Spitfire 21 from a photo given to me by one of those 91 pilots who flew it on ops :)

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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2005, 02:33:49 PM »
Oh, nice photo Dan!  :)  My copy of Rawlings, Fighter Squadrons of the R.A.F.  has the following caption next to a  photo of a Spit 21 (I gather post war):  Although no photographs of No. 91's Spitfire F.21's survive, this one depicts LA226, an F.21 used by No. 91, faithfully restored to its 1945 condition.  As to operational Spit 21's, see No. 91 ORB at bottom of this page
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Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2005, 02:43:03 PM »
The one I have hasn't been published.  The original was one of those tiny photos that thankfully blew up fairly well.

There have been other photos of 91 Squadron Spit 21s published.  A recent book on 91 Squadron by Peter Hall has 4 others, and Alfred Price has published a couple in books he's done so if you include the one I have there are 7 or so floating around that have turned up so far.

I have a squadron group photo taken at Ludham of the crew in front of a Spit 21 as well so I guess that makes 8 :)

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edited to add image of Johnny Faulkner, who was one of the two Spit 21 pilots downed by flak.  He was rescued. Got this image from the same guy who gave me the Spit 21 photo.
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« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2005, 02:57:34 PM »
Cool :)  I remembered that caption, but no photos came immediately to mind, although now that you mention it I vaguely remember something from Price.  Well, if Rawlings ever updates... ;)  On further reflection, I have a copy of 91's War Diary and I think there might be some news paper clippings in there with some grainy Spit 21 photos, hmm....
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