an open thank-you

[MaddogJoe]

I've come to the conclusion that I'm about as good as I'm going to get, and untill I hit the lottery, or get a large inheritance from some rich lost uncle, I'm just not going to have the time to put into this game to get better.

I am in no way calling it quits, and in some of those rare 1 vs 1 in the MA I still belive there may yet be hope for me  

I do want to thank everyone who has answered every stupid/silly/confusing question I have posted. This community is... as a friend of mine would say... "awesome" !

So to TC, Pellik, Killnu, Murdr, AK-AK, Nomak and all the others, thanks for your time and effort !  

[Ghosth]

Sometimes you hit "plateau's" that can seem to be flat, with no chance of climbing any higher. Yet if you just keep walking you eventually find when your ready, that another climb awaits.

Sometimes you just need to play with what you've got for a while.  Enjoy the here & now.

Looks like you had some good teachers.

[MaddogJoe]

Thanks Ghost, I hope your right!

....as for the teachers, thats what I mean, the guys that make this game great are the people ...like yourself... who take the time to drag us "dweebs" kicking and screaming into the world of ACM and away from that "arcade game play" that so many of us start out with.

There is so much to this game to learn, but so much fun can be had getting there! That why I send out this open thank-you, to people like you who make it fun !  Thanks !  

[Murdr]

Ghost is right.  

There are some people who do just reach a point, and never improve, but I attribute it to lack of curiosity and effort.  

If you keep trying to "figure it out" at your own pace, youll look back several tours, and realize how much you've improved, even though it felt like you were spinning your wheels at the time.  Just keep trying to fill your "bag-o-tricks", and eventually there will be less and less situations where you dont have an answer in the "bag".





oh...and yw

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get a number of appointments with your trainers


you will improve fast and have a good time doing it

[MaddogJoe]

Thanks guys, like I said, I'm not giving up, and maybe some day I'll look back and say "LOL what a dweeb I was!"..... at least I hope too  

Took me almost 2 weeks to hook up with Nomak for one two hour session I just don't have the time!

I'm just an old dog trying to learn new tricks, and right now when I reach into that old bag of tricks, by the time I pull the trick out, I'm missing a tail.... could be because the 38 has such a weak tail tho  LOL!!

You guys keep postin the tricks, and I'll keep writing them down....simpit is covered in post-it notes ! Thanks again !

[DamnedRen]

Wish you the best. I have always taught using plateau's as thats the way I was trained. It allows you to move ahead at your own pace.

How it works is a trainer gives you an evaluation to determine what point in training you should begin. You really need the evaluation so the trainer can move you forward from a starting point you can both agree upon, For example, if a trainer is telling you to unload during a maneuver and you are asking what unload means then you need to back up and begin from that starting point.  Anyway, a trainer gives you "X" amount of info to digest and work with. The reason you get a limited amount of training is information overload will make you take two steps back iso one step forward.  You work with the newly acquired skills and get kills. In fact you seem to do a pretty good job of progression then you once again hit a plateau. I guarantee you will know when you hit it just like you feel you're at a dead end right now. When you hit the next plateau go get a trainer again and get a "push" up to the next level.

If you do it this way the things you learn stay with you yet it gives you the opportunity to add to your skills. Eventually, you will get close to the trainers abilities and learn his limitations. At that point, you will have quietly become one of the better players in the game.

We have a lot of good trainers....use them

[1Klink]

I have noticed that after a year of flying this GAME a lot of pilots get too a point where they know the moves and when too use them but yet they still get the same result and become frustrated.

The 1 thing i like too teach new pilots right off the bat is TRIM CONTROL.The practice of using trim control.Most of these pilots are using combat trim.The thing is no one will ever tell any of the new pilots this info.The reaction you get from a  noob after he uses trim control and then realizes that the plane fly's in a completeely different way is amazing.2 LTAR pilots were in the TA the other day and i showed them how too use trim control and they were amazed at how it improved thier flight experience.

IMO- we should teach the new pilots  out of the gate how too use trim as well as ACM skills.I believe that instead of not telling the noobs all the tricks of the trade turns out bad pilots instead of pilots that will have some skill and knowledge and give you a 1/2 way decent fight when you encounter them.I,m just trying too improve the overall gameplay of others.

Maddog if you need any instruction i,m usually in the TA in the evenings eastern time.



<<>>1HungLo:aok

[Don]

>>Thanks Ghost, I hope your right! <<

Maddog, he is right. Keep at it because you enjoy it. There are precious few hours (as time goes by) that you can devote to your passions, so enjoy the time you do have.
While it is true the longer one does a thing, the better one can become but, if you can get up and fly a few times a week, the learning curve eventually becomes less steep.
There was a time in a different game years ago, that you had to pay by the hour, so that naturally cut down on the time a guy could spend flying and fighting online. But, even if you couldnt fly as often, you could think about the game and acm. Eventually many got better. Now for one flat rate anybody can fly as often as they like or can, for some more, for others, less. Hell, at one point I was logging over 300 hops on average, now I'm lucky if I can get up 100 hops in a camp. But, I still enjoy it and look forward to my time online.

[DamnedRen]

I disagree, 1HungLo. I fly sometimes using auto combt trim and not. You don't see me having any problems using it or not. Normally, in the TA I tend to use it .

For a new pilot just trying to get his feet wet its better to let him fly with stall limiter off and just learn to get a feel for the plane then learn some tactics.  As they progress that can be introduced.

Training is a "one thing at a time" proposition. I previously noted above, if you try and force feed someone too much information at one time they will puke it up without getting the benefit of what you wanted them to digest.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by 1Klink
I have noticed that after a year of flying this GAME a lot of pilots get too a point where they know the moves and when too use them but yet they still get the same result and become frustrated

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Players never, or should never, think that they know the moves and when to use them.  I'm still learning as I play -- learning how a slight roll here works better than a slight roll there, or when I should best chop throttle or kick rudder, or whatever.  The learning becomes more incremental after years of play, but it's still there.  I think part of the frustration stems from players thinking they know all of the moves and when to use them.  They don't.

The 1 thing i like too teach new pilots right off the bat is TRIM CONTROL.

I think the importance of trim control is very much overrated.  Don't get me wrong, it is something that everyone should learn, but combat and manual trim do not differ so substantially from one another as to make or break most fights.  I fly with combat trim 99% of the time unless the situation or plane demands otherwise, and I find that it does not hinder me.  

That said, anything that helps players get past a plateau, be it learning trim control or practicing gunnery, is a good thing.  Kudos to you for opening up some eyes to a bigger, better world.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[1Klink]

All the pilots i have trained in that manner have become very good pilots.I don,t show a pilot that just saw the AH commercial 15 mins. ago trim control ,i was referring too a pilot with 6 months too a year experience.

The first thing i tell new pilots is how too use the text buffer,about the help page and i direct them too Hammer's web site,http://www.netaces.org. is a very helpful training tool.

I engage with the pilot,determine is play level then apply what is needed and where,they always walk away learning something valuable.I think it's the way i explain it too them that's what makes them understand the Info and how too apply it.



<<>>1HungLo:aok

[megadud]

1hunglo u r TeH Phunee

[1Klink]

Mega,

I invited you too learn those tactix described above and you declined too learn.

But yet i still hear you cussing people and making up excuses for your poor flight and acm ability.

Maybe 1 day you will come too your senses and go into the light.


<<>>1HungLo:aok

[megadud]

Originally posted by 1Klink
Mega,

I invited you too learn those tactix described above and you declined too learn.

But yet i still hear you cussing people and making up excuses for your poor flight and acm ability.

Maybe 1 day you will come too your senses and go into the light.


<<>>1HungLo:aok

i don't cuss people...and i don't make excuses for poor flight ability and or acm ability. you need the acm practice not me..we have never fought..we should...no BnZ crap dogfight and use acm and we'll see who wins. If you win i'll stop talking crap to you if i win i'll smile and walk away..either way it's win win situation for you..you get to shut me up....