Why did God create humans?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by lada
ahh so you say that it hasnt been proven while you arent able to proven us your god.


Muheheee... this seems to be an proper circle.

Can i tell you story about lighting storm and anger of gods ?

Lada, you seem to not grasp what I have been saying. I offered no proof of God, just faith.

Science has offered no explanation for the existence of all the matter in the universe either, yet some people seem to believe that science has some better, more logical explanation.

I am saying that it is just as logical to believe that God created the universe as it is believe any scientific logic. Both views require faith in the unknown and unexplainable.

[Gixer]

I have much more faith in science then God, isn't God just something made up in mans mind anyway? Plus which God are we talking about here? As there seems to be quite a few.


...-Gixer

[NUKE]

Holden, don't you think it is logical to say that the big bang was an infinate series of events? So time always was.

Each event had to be preceded by another, logically speaking. You can't have an explosion or expansion of any sort without a trigger. That chain would go back to infinity.

Same logic with matter. Science has no logic that can explain it.

That's kind of what I am getting at.

I'm off to try to go do some work, I'd be interested in your ideas regarding the trigger for the big bang and the existence of matter.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by NUKE
I am saying that it is just as logical to believe that God created the universe as it is believe any scientific logic. Both views require faith in the unknown and unexplainable.

I understand your thought here Nuke, but it is not quite correct.

If you use pure scientific logic and reason, scientific theory (which uses defined known laws and logic) traces back time to an infinitesimally small fraction of a second after the bang.  That small fraction cannot be pierced by current scientific theory because general relativity and quantum theory collide.  

Within that fraction no one knows the physics, it is a place for unscientific conjecture. As no one knows what happened before the collision of relativity and quantum, the big bang itself is in a hazy nether region.  

The big bang seems plausible, perhaps, but is in reality an illogical step that requires an illogical, unscientific leap of faith..

Pure science is not a belief system... it is a process: a technique for revealing truth.  People have convoluted science into a belief system that it was not intended to be.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Gixer
I have much more faith in science then God, isn't God just something made up in mans mind anyway? Plus which God are we talking about here? As there seems to be quite a few.


...-Gixer

Gixer, if you've already "proven" to your own satisfaction that there is no god, and that science is the only way to understand reality -- then you're right, god must have been something man made up.

But saying that doesnt prove anything at all.

The alternative worldview considers that there may be a god, and that it may have revealed itself to us one way or another. Christians believe that 1) God is real; 2) He revealed himself to us, because otherwise his transdimensional existance woudl be beyond or understanding; 3) He let us see what he thinks and what he's like by directly guiding the writers of the bible so their thoughts and words were expressions of him;  4) he further revealed himself by becoming man -- entering our dimension; and that 5) he demonstrated  the depth of his love for us by paying the price of our failings, on his account.

Either cosmology can be seen to be internally consistant and compatible with the observed world. It really comes down to what we choose to believe. IN the end, only one view (and god) will be found to be reality. Despite post modern relativism, there really is such a thing as "true" and "false" -- cf. your most recent  math test.






PS I will happily deal with challenges to Christianity's internal consistancy --line 'em up