How about a sector usage limit based on ENY?

[Stang]

Did you not think that they might be enjoying themselves the way things are now?

I find it hard to believe that 15 players fighting over the scraps of 1 or 2 enemies can be considered an acceptable level of "fun."

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Stang
I find it hard to believe that 15 players fighting over the scraps of 1 or 2 enemies can be considered an acceptable level of "fun."

Why do you find it so hard to believe? Do you honestly think those 15 would do it if they didnt think it was fun to them? Are you also trying to say you have never vulched some poor guy that didn't have the sense not to take off from a capped field? Or vulched as surpression to take a field? Yet now you claim how hard it is to believe that others have done what you have also done in the past?

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry I'm not trying to pick on you for that crap you tried to throw out to everyone but I really do need to get my boots on.

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Ren
The Damned

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by DamnedRen

Curious Ren how long you've been playing.

You sound alot like me.
Two years ago.

[SCDR]

Ren, we pay to play the way HT wants us to. By that I mean
when the ENY kicks in I can't fly the planes I'ld like, or drive
a tiger I want. So we are really paying to fly/drive the way HT
wants us to. I guess too many people whined about hordes
and this is his way of evening out the playing field.
Tho I will say this, it is darn hard to kill a tiger with a panzer
or T-34. Unless you're D400 to their rear or side.

SCDR

[JB88]

um.

nevermind.

[DipStick]

Seek help Ren.

[NoBaddy]

Back on subject...

Been there...done that. That was the way AW worked. Imagine trying to run a mission and half your planes can't get up because of this limitation. Additionally, imagine a mission has launched and the field then comes under attack....and NO defenders can launch.

If this were put in place, the whining about the current ENY system would merely switch to whining about "not being able to fly from the field I want to fly from".

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Curious Ren how long you've been playing.

You sound alot like me.
Two years ago.

12 years or so now. Trainer for around 8 years now. I heard it all, seen it all, none of this is new. Just responding to a buncha noobs who are already burnt out and trying to make the game play they want it to so they can feel like they are getting better at it.

My only issue is the game has something for everyone but when you hear alot of whining its normally because someone is having a problem with their own game play and is looking for a shortcut to make it better for them personally. They don't seem to realize the are up to 600 different people up in the arena on a given evening from 600 different walks of life with maybe 600 different reasons for playing the game.

Think about it. Some guys just want to bomb. Some want to have a tank battle. Others like to furball. Others take fields or might like to defend fields. Those with like interests join up and go about play within the game. Those that don't do their thing. Thats what makes the game so great! Do your own thing. HT and Co. didn't build the game to stop anyone from playing the game by grabbing a plane they wanted, joining a group flying to a field (or not) and doing their thing. Well, they did. They finally bowed to the few whiners and allowed eny limits for lack of players. In other flight sims that would have never happened. If you were down on countrymen you'd suck it up and go fight the bad guys. Instead, they give the whiners an out by letting them fly all the planes.  The old vets look at that and shake their heads as its almost like a cheat even thought there ain't any in AH2.

Like I say, I've been there. I fly what's been handed to me by the makers. I've seen it all so this "let's do it my way crap" is just a BB forum whine. Hey, did you ever think that this is just another outlet for the frustrations the whiners have for having a bad day in the arenas?

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Ren
The Damned

 

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by SCDR
Ren, we pay to play the way HT wants us to. By that I mean when the ENY kicks in I can't fly the planes I'd like, or drive a tiger I want. So we are really paying to fly/drive the way HT wants us to. I guess too many people whined about hordes and this is his way of evening out the playing field. Tho I will say this, it is darn hard to kill a tiger with a panzer or T-34. Unless you're D400 to their rear or side.

SCDR

SCDR (blue is much easier to see for me:))

I agree with you. Actually he built a game for everyone with differing interests. But, he's human too. It is after all his game. If he decides he doesn't like the way something is working (or not) he changes it. I mean, it's IS his ball, right? We're just players in the game. We either accept the changes or we leave. We don't whine about it all the time. IMHO opinion i think he sometimes forgets how it was when he played (and programmed) in other games.  He may have  forgotten some of the reasons for a demise of DOSAW as I think he'd already left for WB but I'm sure he was "in the know".  The AW folks listened to the few whiners and reset FR to the old half time arenas. It didn't take long for the vets to migrate away from the game and begin its quick downfall. By the time they realized how messed up it was most pilots had already migrated.   There were other reasons but it still helped bring the demise of AW.They got a second life from an 18 month contract to run it on AOL in both Mac and PC OS's. Then they went back mainline web until EA where it began another downhill spiral for different reasons.

A lil more history...Imagine flying in an arena with 20-50 players up a night. When people talk about how it was you need to understand the numbers and the players. Also, the cost prohibited many players from playing. I think at it's cheapest you could get by at $2.99 an hour. The average college kid could not afford both a hot computer, the gear  and an average of $100-120 a month plus the $20 for your service provider. Or, the additional phone line if in a household. Unless Mommy or Daddy paid for it. Not many of those. Now a youngster can go mow a lawn once a month and afford to play AH2. If they mow the lawn once a week they can afford a great computer, also. That's great. Did you know when they show up in the TA the first thing alot ask for is, "where do I find the cheats". We tell them, "there ain't none" and they press on. Kids are great! They will listen and learn as long as you don't try and feed them alot of crap. When they find out its crap there is nothing else they want hear from you. Enter the BBS. Here we get alot of these 20 year old wonder kids who've played for a whole 2-3 years. They think they are gawds gift to the game. NOT! LOL!!!
They don't realize they just add or take away from the game. But, they have a tendency to hurt the new kids coming into the game by feeding them their own brand of crap. We jump in and say its crap so the noobs can learn and enjoy the game. That's the only reason why we sometimes post.

Now, imagine just getting up and flying with the hand your dealt with? Everyone has the same planes, gv's, etc. Everyone has the same situation. They either have a lack of players due to other country's are having squad night or whatever. So now you just have to suck it up when a a few squads decide to do a mission and attack at field. You get up with whatever plane you want to defend and do your best. Guess what? You had to work a lil harder at gameplay that night. Or maybe 3 nights in a row. If you stopped them then you feel pretty good about your gameplay. If you didn't it wasn't for lack of trying. On the 4th night the other country has a shortage of people. Guess what again? Now they have to suck it up and do the best they can.

I mean come on. If you listen to the whiners, Gawd Forbid that everything can't be handed to them on a silver platter. They need to learn how to  suck it up and play the game as its dealt to them.

IMHO stopping the hoard is something the Damned love to do and go out of their way to get into the middle of. Why? Because that's the way we have always fought. We have never run from a fight. We get up and do our best with what we have to work with. When HT's ENY crap kicks in we still get up in planes and continue fighting without evening thinking about it.

Being politically correct has finally worked its way into the gaming industry (think AOL AW) but us old vets think "if its wrong then its wrong" and we have no problems stating the facts. The whiners hate hearing they're wrong and will go out of their way to have the last word. If its wrong you can have the last word, it's still wrong and everyone knows it .

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Ren
The Damned

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by DipStick
Seek help Ren.
Dip, see this color? It matches everything you've ever posted and the value you bring to it. Now go back into your hole.

MUAHAHAHAHA

[Wind]

Originally posted by SCDR
Ren, we pay to play the way HT wants us to. By that I mean
when the ENY kicks in I can't fly the planes I'ld like, or drive
a tiger I want.

Ya know..  Maybe you should just learn to "like" to fly a plane that's not so easy to buzz around and shoot at things!

Very rarely do I suffer from the ENY limit.  That may be because I look for a challenge rather than a win?  Who knows.

W~

aka Damned Wind

[SCDR]

Originally posted by Wind
Ya know..  Maybe you should just learn to "like" to fly a plane that's not so easy to buzz around and shoot at things!

Very rarely do I suffer from the ENY limit.  That may be because I look for a challenge rather than a win?  Who knows.

W~

aka Damned Wind

Hmmm... when I fly, I like the F-4U1 (ENY of 30 I think), 110G-2,
Ki-84, and a couple other "old" planes. You misunderstood me.
IF and WHEN I get enuff fiter perks I usually do something really
stupid with my 262 and end up losing it.
I'm with the horde that thinks ENY SUCKS a big one, yet we are
stuck with it.

SCDR

[Wind]

Originally posted by SCDR
Hmmm... when I fly, I like the F-4U1 (ENY of 30 I think), 110G-2,
Ki-84, and a couple other "old" planes. You misunderstood me. IF and WHEN I get enuff fiter perks I usually do something really
stupid with my 262 and end up losing it

Yup, I misunderstood you.  I thought only GOOBS fly perked planes, let alone lose them...



W~

[MOIL]

I still honestly believe the "game" is what you make of it:aok

The problem with you Ren, is you speak the truth, most don't like the truth.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Furious
which wouldn't be a problem if 80% of the other side team was there to fight them.

I have to agree with Furious here.  

It's a nice idea Batfink and I can see its merits, but I personally don't agree with things like ENY or sector limits on late war planes or the like.  Not that I usually fly planes that would be affected by it, I just don't think anyone should be, really.

For me, the reason the MA gets lame sometime has nothing to do with what planes I'm facing or how many I'm facing so much as how they choose to face me.  It's not so bad being in a 4 on 1, but its pretty bad having more and more jump in, spraying and praying, past that.  It really doesn't matter if its a swarm of La7's or SpitI's, there's still a major problem.

Another "issue" is the "Merge then runners".  It doesn't really matter if they're in a P51 or a 109F, it can still be pretty boring.

Many of the "problems" in this game, or at least the parts I find disagreeable, seem to come down to a lack of basic sportsmanship.  But, this, being an online computer game, I would wager that a fair amount of subscribers really never got into sports, and may lack the concept of winning graciously, accepting defeat with dignity, and giving it their best shot.

Just some random thoughts...  I'm sure I'll be crucified for the last comment but I think it's a plausible idea