How about a sector usage limit based on ENY?

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Vudak
Many of the "problems" in this game, or at least the parts I find disagreeable, seem to come down to a lack of basic sportsmanship.  But, this, being an online computer game, I would wager that a fair amount of subscribers really never got into sports, and may lack the concept of winning graciously, accepting defeat with dignity, and giving it their best shot.

I disagree. I think its the anonymity the internet provides plus the low cost that brings all types out of the woodwork. For the most part just about all the AH players just get up and play and try to enjoy. As I have always mentioned there are the 10% who are just a buncha low lifes who have to push their opinions on everyone else. They get to hide behind the net and say what they want.  They could care less what anyone else thinks. They have to have the last word no matter how wrong they are. MUAHAHAHA!

You are correct that they have absolutely no concept of sportsmanship as they've never had to stand up and be accounted for. What they don't seem to understand as most players could care less about what they have to say. That is, until they start pushing the newer players away from the game. Then the older players start to get into their garbage threads and call them on their trash talk.

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Ren
The Damned

[pellik]

I love the idea of a sector limit INSTEAD of a plane limit.

It's my opinion that the majority of the guys flying around in late war speed demons like the 51D, 190D9, and 109G10 do so because they lack the confidence to really mix it up. They never found a way to out fly their opponents, so they try to have faster planes then them. And while I think it's pathetic that these guys would rather get shot to hell while running and maybe keep enough parts to fly home after they finally get safe seperation, I don't want to put them in a hopeless situation either. Sure they will never learn confidence in their ability to fly defensively if they always just try to run, but the truth of the matter is many of those people will never become decent pilots anyway. Christ, look at SHawk. He's achieved the K/D most dweebs dream of, but he still would rather run home early then take the defensive for a few minuts. If we put these guys in slow planes they are just going to get more and more timid, as what little faith they have in their abilities approaches zero. Limiting sector useage wouldn't destroy their confidence in their plane, only limit their confidence in their numerical superiority. Of course there are some pilots so dweebishly timid that a loss of numerical superiority also prevents enguagement.

That said this is all moot, as I can't see HT being willing to even briefly consider something like this until well after TOD is said and done. I imagine most of the people in the MA who would be willing to inconvenience themselves for the sake of more fair fights will fit in perfectly there. I also imagine the real score potatos will migrate that way as well, as TOD scores will actually be worth something.

[mechanic]

the one thing you're forgeting is 'you' are only one player yourself.  

incase you were, please cease to think you know 'me' or 'us' or whoever 'we' are. any of us. and dont ever assume i am hiding behind the net. im the same stunninghunk in real life.    

who are you?





you choose to make one of my threads, a 'Ren' thread....

....again!

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by mechanic
the one thing you're forgeting is 'you' are only one player yourself.  

Very true. But I have yet to try and tell anyone how to play the game. I get up fly and generally enjoy every fight I get in, win or lose. I don't whine because I got shot down. The only time I've ever been heard on 200 is to say Hi.

incase you were, please cease to think you know 'me' or 'us' or whoever 'we' are. any of us.

"We" meaning you, me and anyone who posts are known by our actions (read posts). My posts are meant to help people. Not for my own personal gain.

 and dont ever assume i am hiding behind the net. im the same stunninghunk in real life.    
who are you?

You are what you are. If you wish to say that about yourself who am I to disagree with you? I never said it.

Who am I? I'm just a dude whose been playing these games for a lot of years and decided many years ago I should try and give something back to the game I've come to love. To do that I became a trainer and spend most of my time trying to help people learn the game so they become active members of the community iso targets.

you choose to make one of my threads, a 'Ren' thread....

....again!

Why is it a Ren thread? Because I mentioned personal gain by a few iso what all the players might like to see or are already enjoying in the arenas? Did it ever occur to you that many folks like what they see in the MA just as it is?

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[mechanic]

nice touch with the black writting, i knew i could make ya soon enough


the MA is fine, this is a forum for general discussion not Judge Jury and Executioner dooomsday master extroidinair discusion.


anyhow, i have not passed judgement on you without your provocation once in my life.


I help alot of people, if you're so in touch with our community then you might know this.

I have started many squads and from the word go in my AH time i have always stuck up for the numbers dweebs....hell i recruited 616700 into my first ever AH1 squad.

he of course was the only mistake
fubar!


I have spent hours, no days at a time in the DA and TA being a productive member of this little game to the best of my abilities. I dont bash noobs, i dont bash GVs...alot.... i dont bash runners, gangers, vulchers....much...  when i die i get all my ammo back so im happy.

I have spent hours with individual training partners, some rookies who i have , some who are on the same level as me, and of course alot who school me. it all goes round in circles and we all share whatever wealth we have.......most of it

funny thing is, there is absolutely none of your flying style in my limited bag of tricks. this is because you never came to me and helped me, flew with me, nor cared to.

where were you for me when i was a noob mate? i've only been here a few years


whatever.

i play my game, i am polite to mostly everyone, i may take  people up on their smack.........but then did not the great pilots of the first world war do the same? heck, it was almost as much of a game to them as it is to us.... at first....




anyhow, i do not wish this statement i have posted to be quoted and chewed up and spat on me.

i typed it because it is my opinion and at present it wont change.


so read it and think about it.





you wouldnt want to control my opinion would you ren?

[Hoarach]

Originally posted by Tails
I'll say it nicely, because likely someone else wont. Noone here wants a widget that keeps them from taking off somewheres (myself included).

I totally agree with Tails.  I would like to see a lot of people and one sector because that means FURBALL.  Some people may not want it becaues they their FR's will go down and they lag too much.  

About a month ago, I ran into a perfect furball.  It was between the knights and bish.  All the planes were in a valley and it was about 30+ planes on each side in that valley and it was fun even though there was little chance you were going to make it out.  If that limiter was on, then myself and others wouldnt be able to enjoy great furballs like that and that was the best furball I have seen in ages especially because everyone was the same alt and speed so it was a very even fight.

Hoarach

[mechanic]

whoever said the limiter would not ever let you take more than 30 planes up?


the initial idea i had was maybe to make it an issue when the arena is 450-550 players packed out.


not to stop anyone having their fun.

but lets say there is 70 planes in a sector, then you would have to fly from the next sector.


the furballs would never die, just elongate themselvs along the whole front.

it was just a passing thought, worthy of posting to see what we think.


i am niether 100% for or against it, and lets face it we're only pissing in the wind here anyhow, it would never reach the game.

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by mechanic

nice touch with the black writting, i knew i could make ya soon enough
I thought I told you it's easier for me to see and read the response before I send it. Did you miss that?

I help alot of people, if you're so in touch with our community then you might know this.

Sorry, I don't keep track of your flying, so I have no idea what you do. I will say I have not seen you in the TA in the past year or two but I'll take yer word for it .

I have started many squads and from the word go in my AH time i have always stuck up for the numbers dweebs....hell i recruited 616700 into my first ever AH1 squad.

Wow, I've only started one. But then again it was merely an offchute of the orignal Damned when some of us migrated to MACAW Beta on AOL near the demise of DOSAW. May I ask why you started so many? Did something happen to them?


I have spent hours, no days at a time in the DA and TA being a productive member of this little game to the best of my abilities. I dont bash noobs, i dont bash GVs...alot.... i dont bash runners, gangers, vulchers....much...  when i die i get all my ammo back so im happy.

I have spent hours with individual training partners, some rookies who i have , some who are on the same level as me, and of course alot who school me. it all goes round in circles and we all share whatever wealth we have.......most of it

funny thing is, there is absolutely none of your flying style in my limited bag of tricks. this is because you never came to me and helped me, flew with me, nor cared to.

You know my flying style? I don;t see much of you anywhere. Funny, I havn't seen you the training arena in the past few years. The discussion isn't about my asking around to the other trainers when the last time they saw you there, nor do I care.

As far as me training? If you ask I will not turn you away even if you just need a target I'll do that. There's folks been flying for year that come in to work on things. That's why there are trainers available.

where were you for me when i was a noob mate? i've only been here a few years

Sorry, I don't remember you ever in the TA. Did you ever ask anyone for help?

i play my game, i am polite to mostly everyone, i may take  people up on their smack.........but then did not the great pilots of the first world war do the same? heck, it was almost as much of a game to them as it is to us.... at first....

Maybe for a few youngsters who don't know better, sure

anyhow, i do not wish this statement i have posted to be quoted and chewed up and spat on me.

Who's spitting on you? Hehe, you make so many different statements I try and respond to them all for you. Is that chewing?

you wouldnt want to control my opinion would you ren?

Nope but I sure don't mind responding to your opinions when they're only meant to garner support for gameplay because you're not enjoying all the gifts HTC has given you to use. I am responding as any other member who happens to read the BB. I just don't happen to agree with some of the things you throw up and merely challenge you to respond.

I still haven't figured out why you are so upset with gameplay as it is. Are you getting shot down alot? Can't kill the buffs? Having trouble with furballs? Why is it "oh so bad" for you? It sounds like you just don't want to have to defend a field anymore.  If so, who ever told you that you had to? If three planes attack you and kill you then its a hoard. If you can manage those three planes then it isn't. If 50 planes come into a field its a hoard. If 25 planes can manage and kill those 50 then its not a hoard just alot of targets. It's all depends on your point of view.  The games great! What's so difficult about enjoying it the way it is? Or have you just gotten used to listening to a select few who've been flying a few years yet think they're gawds gift to the game? They ain't! If they left tomorrow the game would go on. Which reminds me. Have I ever in any post told you if you don't like it leave? Anyone who has ever said that is only out for themselves and if you ever believe they're there to help you your wrong. They want to help you to inflate their ego more.

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Ren
The Damned

[mechanic]

a person as jaded as you should never be alowed in a possition of influence amoung newcomers.

                         
 

the TA is not the best place to learn, and i often invite noob to DA from TA, i have seen you in the TA, so once again i didnt ask your help, or you didnt give it or whatever.


                         


i asked you not to quote me, and spit anything i say into your own twisted little spitball that you can throw at anyone.
 





                       





im ignoring you from now on.











                           

[MOIL]

Mechanic:
"a person as jaded as you should never be alowed in a possition of influence amoung newcomers"
You should take a look in the mirror

"the TA is not the best place to learn"
In your opinion

[Krusty]

Forget all the bickering posts, but the proper translation for the original post is:

"I want to secretly gather xxx people on my team (where xxx is the sector cap) and steamroll unprotected bases, but block the enemy from even showing up because we're forcing them to lift off from 50 miles away due to the sector cap. I don't want people to shoot me while I'm in a GV, or attack me while I'm horde-porking undefended fields"

That's about the gist of the original post.

[MOIL]

Yeah, that works about as good as this

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Krusty
Forget all the bickering posts, but the proper translation for the original post is:

"I want to secretly gather xxx people on my team (where xxx is the sector cap) and steamroll unprotected bases, but block the enemy from even showing up because we're forcing them to lift off from 50 miles away due to the sector cap. I don't want people to shoot me while I'm in a GV, or attack me while I'm horde-porking undefended fields"

That's about the gist of the original post.

Well, Krusty, you obviously don't know Batfink.

[Krusty]

I will quote the original post:

"in this way when large tank battles are going off they wouldnt be spoiled by masses of planes, only a few dedicated plaers will get through.


when a large mission / horde atempts to capture a field, and the other country has limited planes people wont bother upping in that sector, and vulching would be reduced."

Basically he doesn't want to be killed in a GV by planes (GASP! Planes in a flight sim?!?!?!)

And then he doesn't want people to up from fields being horded/swarmed by larger groups. (GASP! Try defending your own fields??)

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Krusty


Basically he doesn't want to be killed in a GV by planes (GASP! Planes in a flight sim?!?!?!)

And then he doesn't want people to up from fields being horded/swarmed by larger groups. (GASP! Try defending your own fields??)

Once again, you OBVIOUSLY don't know Batfink