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The spread of the Protestant faith
« on: May 13, 2005, 06:42:25 AM »
Gruss Gott! - just got back from Austria. :)

Sorry if this is too soon after any other thread about religion. I'm not starting a debate, but I am curious about how the protestant faith (if I may call it that) has spread. In Austria, all the Churches I saw were Catholic. Same goes for Germany, France, Spain, Italy etc.

In England, the Church of England (protestant) got started when Henry VIII could not get a divorce from Catherine of Aragon, as divorce was refused by Thomas More - a head dude of the Catholic Church - (haven't looked it up, but I know he was executed, and his head put on a spike outside the House of Commons for 24 years). Henry simply started his own Church - known as protestant because of his personal protest with the Catholic Church.

With his second wife, Anne Boleyn, Henry came to realise that there was a quicker method of ending the marriage which didn't involve divorce. ;)

So the question is - how did the protestant faith spread to other parts of the world, when its creation clearly arose out of a little local difficulty in England?

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 06:47:36 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2005, 06:57:31 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 07:13:50 AM »
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Originally posted by beet1e
how did the protestant faith spread to other parts of the world, when its creation clearly arose out of a little local difficulty in England?


It didn't particularly originate in England; the ideological roots of protestantism are more German (Martin Luther) Swiss (Huldreich Zwingli) and French (John Calvin) although the origins of the reformation go back even earlier than the early 1500's to which these 3 characters belong.

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2005, 10:09:41 AM »
Grüß Gott!  Wie gehts?  (that's the usual greeting for Bavaria and northern Austria)

Where in Austria did you go Beetle?  Bavaria is very pro-Catholic as well, which is quite good since Bavaria has the most bank holidays in the whole of Germany! :)  (I think!)

I'm CofE btw! :)
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2005, 10:58:04 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2005, 11:50:44 AM »
Grüß Gott!
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Originally posted by Replicant
Where in Austria did you go Beetle?  Bavaria is very pro-Catholic as well, which is quite good since Bavaria has the most bank holidays in the whole of Germany! :)  (I think!)
We were based in Salzburg. A stroll past the Mozart house was enough for me! We went up the fortress in the middle of town. My main mission was to look at some of the castles, in particular the Schloß Hohenwerfen or Burg Werfen, near the town of Werfen. This was used in some of the location shots in "Where Eagles Dare".  The castle seems much smaller than they made it look in W.E.D. - partly because the walls are four metres thick, which makes it  small inside. That atrium where they land the helicopter isn't very big at all.

Here's a few more - around St. Gilgen, SE of Salzburg.





Would love to know more about the building on top of the peak at the right. Looks like the sort of place Hitler would
have commandeered for himself.


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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2005, 11:58:56 AM »
Ah, you should have gone to the Eagles Nest (Kehlsteinhaus), Berchtesgaden which is very close to Salzburg.  I went there back in October.

I also went to Salzburg for the Christkindlmarkt in December.  Some pictures from the castle are below.  Beautiful area!  You should have given me a ring, Salzburg is only 1 1/2 hours from here and I've had this week off work! Anyway, if you want to visit Münich anytime then gimme a shout, you're more than welcome to stay.



Oh and Neuschwanstein castle is fairly close too:
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2005, 12:10:36 PM »
LOL Nexx!! I took that exact same picture of the Dom - but it was on Monday, and the weather was not good in the area. My other pics were taken yesterday (Thursday) - weather much better.



Yes I'd like to head that way again - to check out that house plus a few other things I saw that I didn't have time for. If you're that close to Salzburg, we could definitely organise it to include a few Weißbieren.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2005, 12:22:33 PM »
Hehe, very similar pic! :)

Yeah, I'm up for a Weißbier or two... or if you make it to Münich then a Maß or two at the Hofbraühaus!
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2005, 12:23:57 PM »
Henry the VIII you were?
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2005, 04:32:39 PM »
Ah, how I wish I could afford to go back to Austria. Spent about a month in Vienna with a trip down to the Austrian Tyrol during Uni. Next to Switzerland, that is the most expensive country to be a tourist in that I've ever visited.

Regarding your original question... The Protestant faith spread west largely via immigration. For instance, the USA was initially mostly protestant due to the immigration in the 1600s of Puritan Congregationalist Refugees in the Northern Colonies, Scottish and Northern Irish Presbyterians in the middle states and South, and French Huguenots throughout. In the 18th Century, with the rise of Methodism under Whitefield and Wesley, that spread quickly throughout the USA, particularly in the South and beyond the Allegeny mountains. The Baptists also really began to spread via church planting and missionary endeavors throughout the south in 17th century. English Anglicans were also present as settlers in the colonies from the 17th century onwards. Durung the mid to late 18th and 19th century America also experienced waves of immigration from German Lutherans (who settled predominantly in the North) Dutch Reformed and German Anabaptists (Amish, Mennonites, etc.)

Australia, is particularly interesting because there the Anglican church was established throughout the transportation period (the 1790s through 1850s) and many transported convicts tended to be Irish Catholics and Scots/Irish Presbyterians who after their period of imprisonment found themselves on the outs in Australian society not only because they were ex-convicts rather than voluntary colonists but also because they were not Anglicans. Thus began a long period of struggling to establish social equality rather than merely toleration.

The protestant faith spread South and East throughout Africa and Asia largely through missionary endeavors rather than immigration. The only place the Protestant denominations have never established much of a foothold are Eastern Europe and the Muslim nations of the 10/40 window where neither immigration nor missionary activity were really possible. Obviously this has changed somewhat with the fall of the Iron Curtain but the Muslim nations are still almost entirely closed. The only major exceptions to this rule being countries like Pakistan and Indonesia, but with the withdrawal of the colonial powers from those nations, Protestants in those countries have been subjected to increasing persecution.

For more info about major events in Protestant history, check out this helpful timeline:
Church History Timeline
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2005, 05:00:48 AM »
The Anglican Church (Henry VIII's one) is actualy a Catholic church in nature.

True protostantism came in the civil war (Cromwell's one).