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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2005, 07:37:31 PM »
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Two words for Fox come to mind.

Tough Chit.

Be happy Im not running things or I'd make Mexico a State.

Or at the very least a US territory


You sure about that???? Then we would have to pay even more taxes to cover their real population's health and social services as opposed to the 10-20M illegally here now. Heck, maybe that's what Fox really wants. Piss us off enough that we annex his head ache away......................... ..
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2005, 08:52:08 PM »
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You sure about that???? Then we would have to pay even more taxes to cover their real population's health and social services as opposed to the 10-20M illegally here now. Heck, maybe that's what Fox really wants. Piss us off enough that we annex his head ache away......................... ..


Yes the intitial investment would be great but it would also payoff greatly down the road. Mexico has alot of undeveloped resources. Not to mention an underdeveloped tourist industry.

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2005, 08:30:17 AM »
If the DMV issues licences to criminals then why not give licences to those who have had their licence susspended because of tickets or drunk driving?   Why not issue licence plates to stolen vehicles on demand?

In fact... why have a DMV at all?  Just send in the proper fee to get a drivers licence or regester a car.   No need to check on anything.

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2005, 09:41:33 AM »
Mexico has a huge double standard problem. They view the US as their dumping ground for undesirables as well as a source of money. It's all about what's in it for them. Anyone who has spent any time in Mexico learns about that situation very fast. It's their country and they want the US to be their country as well. This is not to slight the majority of Mexican people. They are a good and decent population. It's their government and history of corruption that sucks pond scum.
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2005, 03:47:01 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2005, 07:17:31 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2005, 07:26:31 PM »
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we will continue to have the problem so long as we allow the employers to continue to hire illegals.

there should be a 3-5 day national waiting period on new hires for any job no matter how trivial and the records would be checked at a Federal level like the gun buying waiting period... consular ID's would not pass.

Anyone hiring an illegal without going through the process would get a mandatory 1 year jail sentence.

once the flood of illegals looking for work dried up we could concentrate on the few who would be coming over for criminal or terrorist purposes.

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you definitely attacking the source of the problem.  the only way that will work.  hungry people will come as long as they have a chance at employment.  

just pointing out the obvious, but a man with nothing to lose has nothing to lose.  it's worth the risk.  but if they came up to find nobody willing to hire them there would be no point, nothing to gain to go with the nothing to lose.

I disagree with the waiting period though.  many of my jobs in the last 20 years were hired on a "how soon can you get here if we start paying you as of the time we hang up?", very few had more than 2-5 days notice.  

I'd think requiring the employer to pay a fine of about 4 times the cost of hiring Americans or legal aliens(including health care, comp expenses, state UI premiums and a pension), combined with thorough checks of hiring records would be enough.  multiply the fines by 10 and add jail time if fraud is found in the record.

if, as I've heard so many times, "our economy needs illegals to do the jobs Americans don't want", then the jobs would be available for legal aliens and many of the same workers could come back legaly, or maybe we could try some of that 'free-market' I keep hearing those cooperate types raving about, and they can just continue to up the wages and benefits to these 'undesirable jobs' until they become more desirable.

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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2005, 07:42:50 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: May 19, 2005, 01:15:05 AM »
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hungry people will come as long as they have a chance at employment.


If those hungry people are no longer hungry, they will no longer try to come here.

The root of the problem isnt simply that employers are willing to hire them. The vast majority of people will not pack up and leave their homeland unless there is a very good reason to do so.
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« Reply #39 on: May 19, 2005, 08:24:33 AM »
I have been hired in the past on "how soon can you start" but... those days are about over in any case what with drug scereening and such.. No...

I don't think a 2-5 day waiting period would hurt anyone.   People could even get "pre screened" when out looking for employment.   Any job more than "landscaper helper" or "maid" doesn't need instant attention.

Mandatory jail time for employers who circumvent the rule.  Then people in the community would know just who is screwing them and the legal bussineses.

It hurts everyone when a good roofing contractor or plastering contractor goes out of bussines because he can't compete with the scumbag who hires a crew of illegals.

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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2005, 08:49:24 AM »
I agree with lazs......make a mandatory waiting period, punish employers who violate hiring laws.....dunno if jail time would suffice though.
Confiscating any and all business related equipment would put a dent in their ability to get anything done at all.  Take their work trucks, their tractors, plows, spraying equipment, etc.....anything that has to do with their job, gets confiscated and held until they show evidence of 100% compliance with employment laws.
I'm all for any measures that stem the flow of or eliminate the flow of illegal immigrants.
I've worked enough places to know that many, not all, of them know more about the loopholes than we do, and work them to the max.
Case in point:
Worked in a plant that made hams and bacon and other pork related products about 10 years ago.  
Talked to the HR people and they told me that nearly 75% of the workers we had did NOT speak English, were not "legal" when they were hired, but they had a kid here in the US and being the parents of an American citizen, well.......all kinds of neat stuff opened up for them.
The system, as it is now, has no teeth, offers no real incentives to become legal or an American citizen, and favors the illegals.  Have a couple kids here and the system absorbs them and practically subsidizes their being here.
The ones I managed to get to talk with actually laughed at me, as they were sending a lot of their paychecks each week back to Mexico to their extended families, all the while drawing Welfare or other government checks, and living better than most of the natural born citizens working there.
I mean, one actually told me, almost verbatim, that it paid him to have more kids, cause the government checks just got larger with every child, and that made him able to send more back to Mexico.  We were working 80-100 hours a week, working 7 days a week, and he said he could pay all his bills with what he made on about 30 of those hours.  The rest went back to Mexico, where the exchange rate allowed his relatives to live pretty well.
Mexico has the natural resources to make their economy attractive enough to keep workers from doing anything and everything to get into this country....the government is just too lazy and corrupt to do it.  Far easier to just leave things as they are and be a sponge on their northern neighbor.

Just my thoughts, nothing more..........

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« Reply #41 on: May 19, 2005, 08:56:36 AM »
edd... My plan would have it so that the illegals would not even bother to cross and hence... no children born to illegals who don't speak english...  

The resultant 90% or more decrease in those crossing the border would allow our border forces to concentrate on the real criminals.

Mandatory jail time for employers would do it.   They would lose their licence and what would they do with their equipment while in jail?  store it at hundreds of dollars a month?  No... they would sell it to pay legal fees or let it go with forclosure issues.

It wouldn't take long for allmost total compliance... look at the gun bussines... there are very few cases... allmost none... per year of gun stores selling guns "under the table".  

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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2005, 09:41:24 AM »
Gotcha and agree, lazs.

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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2005, 09:58:28 AM »
Vincete is an a**hole, and has been in a long string of corrput Mexican "Presidente's".  

Illegal's are illegal's.  The American Taxpayers should NOT have to give them a free ride or benefits that are due taxpayers.  If they ARE in the country illegally, sorry but, screw em.

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2005, 11:51:29 AM »
Here’s the real ball buster,
Mexico keeps their army on the Guatemalan border, to prevent illegals from coming into Mexico.
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