Dive bombing b17s AGAIN

[Killjoy2]

Why Why Why?  

The least historical aspect of this "flight sim" are dive bombing b17's.  

At least perk the box so it costs something to use a b17 this way.  

But NOooooo.  AH caters to the buff drivers.  They might whine if you perked their buff boxes.  

Screw them!  I'd quit this stupid game if I thought I could.

[Heretic]

I love dive bombing buffs.     I love nothing more than sitting in my Osti while some guy decides to come down in his formation of buffs.       The lower the buffs are the easier they are to hit and kill.    

I take it you may have been refering to dive bombing buffs against a CV group?        Those are even more fun.   The 5" and quad 40's just chew them up.

[zorstorer]

This game is historical????

[6GunUSMC]

Originally posted by zorstorer
This game is historical????

I think it was a typo... HYSTERICAL was more like it

[Cooley]

simple fix,,,,,,,,make it so you have to be in the Bombsite to drop eggs in the big heavys

[6GunUSMC]

Originally posted by Cooley
simple fix,,,,,,,,make it so you have to be in the Bombsite to drop eggs in the big heavys

i have always agreed with this... they already dumbed down the bombing

[MOIL]

I'm sorry fellas,  I just have to stand back and laugh my a@@ off.

You know how many times a day I hear some cheezeball say: "hey moil this is a flight Sim not a GV game"

Ya a "flight sim" with dive bombing B-17's and Lanc's.................and I'm the dweeb?

[Krusty]

Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
i have always agreed with this... they already dumbed down the bombing

No, they didn't. They reverted to a something more like the original bombsite, but one that ALL could use despite hardware limitations. I, and quite a few others, literally could not bomb at all. Our setups wouldn't allow it. Now you have to at least be at a steady speed to calibrate. That's something. Originally you didn't even need that.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Cooley
simple fix,,,,,,,,make it so you have to be in the Bombsite to drop eggs in the big heavys

Always ben in favor of this.  Or at least be IN the bombadiers pos when you drop. Then you can still have your external views for SA.

Saw one a couple weeks ago. think I even took a snapshot of it. B17 diving in at a 45 dgree angle.

Just because they may have been capable of such manuvers dosnt mean they should deviate that much from what they actually did.

Plus I think alot of the things done here the planes were capable of doing but pilots didnt do because of the lack of extra limbs that would be needed to do them. Not to mention physical strength.

[Gloves]

The idea of historical accuracy goes right out the window when you enter the MA.  How often did you see Tiger vs Tiger, P-51 vs P-51, N1K1 vs FW-190, etc?

ToD should be another story, but the MA is what it is - historically accurate or not.

Glove

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Killjoy2
 

Screw them!  I'd quit this stupid game if I thought I could.

Frodo

[Don]

I am in the middle of a book entitled "Wings of Gold" and it has CmDR John Thach quoted in one of his post action evaluations in regard to the accuracy of B17 and other large bombers versus sea going war vessels. He said he had a lot of experience with the Norden bombsight (the Navy had first dibs on it and rejected it for their bombing a/c), and gave it a poor evaluation for use against moving surface ships; it was too easy for a ship's Captain to evade bombs dropped from alt.
These comments came several months after the battle for Midway Island. It seems the press and certain elements of the US Army tried to claim the lionshare of credit for the Midway victory. It turned out the B17s, and B26s did little damage (if any) to the Japanese fleet.

The inplications for our flight sim here is that yes, it is somewhat bogus that a flight of Buffs can routeinely destroy CVz from hi alt, and have better chances of hitting them if they come in at low alts. Divebombing in them??!! That is laughable and a total farce, plain and simple. B26s or Ju88s etc have a much more consistent historical case for effectiveness against nme shipping.

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Krusty
No, they didn't. They reverted to a something more like the original bombsite, but one that ALL could use despite hardware limitations. I, and quite a few others, literally could not bomb at all. Our setups wouldn't allow it. Now you have to at least be at a steady speed to calibrate. That's something. Originally you didn't even need that.

Don't ya just love the arcade game you're playing?

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Ren
The Damned

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Killjoy2
AH caters to the buff drivers.  

your kidding right????

thats BS, theres No REAL target for buff pilots anymore. Strat factories dont DO anything really, and rebuild way too fast. HQ is a worthless target since it can be resupplied in 5minutes.

This is why you see buffs doing lame things like suicide bombing CVs etc, because thats the only use for them

[Clifra Jones]

I never REALLY understood why you need external views in a bomber. I don't fly them so I don't have much experience to draw from. But, with the ability to see from all the gun positions you have the same view as the crew had. You just have to jump around to them. Not exactly the same yes, but, I think external views give to much of an unfair advantage. Especially in low alt, level bombing.

JMO.