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[JB88]

http://www.lp.org/article_142.shtml\


Outrage of the Week: Senate Unanimously Passes the "Real ID" Act


By Shane Cory

In a 100-0 vote, the U.S. Senate passed the 2nd largest supplemental spending bill in the history of the nation.  If that were not enough reason to question the common sense of our legislators, the Republican and Democrat leaders also passed the Real ID Act which was hidden within the spending bill.

 

With the passing of the bill, states will have to abide by federal standards for providing driver's licenses and I.D. cards to citizens.  States will also have to link their citizen databases to federal systems in order obtain funding for the program.

 

Driver's licenses issued by states not fulfilling federal requirements will not be accepted by any federal agency.  What does that matter?  Here are a few scenarios that may occur if your state were to not fulfill the new federal obligations:

 

    * Flying to see a relative in another state?  Don’t forget your papers:   Domestic travelers could not pass through airport security checkpoints without a passport or a "Real" I.D. card.
    * Want to serve your country? Apply for a passport first:  Prospective military enlistees could not meet identification requirements with only state issued identification.
    * Want to get a job? Not without federal documentation:  The INS I-9 form is a required document for all U.S. workers.  Section Two of the form requires identification to be examined by the employer.  As no federal agency will accept "old" driver's licenses, your I.D. would no longer be valid.  Be sure to bring your passport along to your next job interview.

Aside from the authoritarian restrictions that will be implemented within the next three years (the bill is to be fully implemented by May 2008 as it has been signed into law by President George W. Bush), there are many other consequences of the bill.

 

The forthcoming database sharing will now put U.S. citizens in the same class as criminals.  While the Social Security Administration tracks names and employment data, the federal government will now have access to at least your physical description, disabilities, and your photo.  In the past, this level of detail was only offered to the federal government within criminal databases.

If you are comfortable with the above, please take the time today to send a "thank you" note to your Republican or Democrat senators.  Be sure to let them know that you enjoy having your personal freedom and privacy stolen.  Otherwise, choose to support the Libertarian Party, which will continue to follow principle and fight for your individual liberty.

[CPorky]

Ok, in regard to those 3 points;

1. As much as it can be done, how many people buy a plane ticket with just cash? No change, you'll still need your ID.

2. Can't serve your country without ID? Try going to a recruiter without any ID, they'll tell you nicely to return when you have it. Yea, thats REAL criminal.

3. Want to get a job without ID? Again, no change, you still needed a SC#, a green card, or some proof of ID for federal and state income taxes. Again, no change...

I will send my Senators a letter and thank them for protecting myself and my children. It is nice to see party politics swept aside and citizen's security is placed first and foremost.

[GtoRA2]

On this one the feds had to step in, cause states like Cali keep trying to give licenses to ilegal dirt bags.



Gues both parties are starting to understand the PEOPLE are pissed about ilegals.

[lasersailor184]

Eh, I'm torn on this one.

If they do it, they need to do it well.  Any person pulled over by a Cop will need to show the ID.  If they don't have one, it'll quickly show those who are here illegaly.  Whether it's a terrorist or an illegal immigrant.


However, the paranoid side of me is sending off bells and whistles.  A national registry?  Interesting concept but the bad uses could far outweigh the good uses.


But, me (being an intelligent person) have noticed one loophole to this.  It says that if the individual state wants to have the whole ID / Drivers license program funded by the Nation, they need to uplink their data to the Feds.  So, why not just not uplink the data and take the costs?

[Munkii]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
But, me (being an intelligent person) have noticed one loophole to this.  It says that if the individual state wants to have the whole ID / Drivers license program funded by the Nation, they need to uplink their data to the Feds.  So, why not just not uplink the data and take the costs?

It's in a spending bill.  Kind of like raise the drinking age to 21 or don't recieve any more block grants for highways.  Despite public outcry... every state buckled.

[GtoRA2]

Every state will buckle because most people are not going to be willing to get a passport so they have a valid ID outside their state.


Do the states not already share DL info with the feds?

[ASTAC]

Better dust off the old tin-foil hat eh JB88?

Just lookiing over the bill of rights...don't see a right of privacy.

[JB88]

i'm all for amendments that guarantee suc things azhac, but lets get to the nuts and bolts shall we?

these are the official words of the libertarian party.  not mine.

i happen to agree with them.  (if thats ok with you...aw gee thanks)

[Bodhi]

Cripes I don't see why they just don't require us all to have passports and be done with it.  Simple, to the point and gee, it's a Federal ID.

Either way, I support the new law, only because the states are too damn rediculous to do it themselves.

[Thrawn]

Piece by piece, step by step the government is getting more power and the citizen less freedom.

[Maverick]

FWIW most of that article is simple panic mongering. Every state already has a record of every drivers license and ID card they issue available to the Feds anytime they want it. It is linked through the NCIC system. A fed can simply put in name and DOB and get the license info.

Standardizing the format of the license is the only real change they are making happen. Yep that's a real panic moment there.

[ChickenHawk]

Just another database for ID thieves to hack.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

The federal government wants all our eggs in their basket. Its just a matter of time.
-SW

[GtoRA2]

Maverick
 Thats what I though, this is a tempest in a tea pot and if the states that give scumbag ilegals licenses didnt in the first place this would not be needed.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
On this one the feds had to step in, cause states like Cali keep trying to give licenses to ilegal dirt bags.

 

You don't know what u are talking about. In Los Angeles, I went to RENEW my driving licence, and it is STILL not issued 5 months laters as DMV said "It is waiting to be approved by immigration".

the by product of this, being off course that when an illegal crashes into your $30,000 car with his $300 ranta, your insurance Co. washes her hands off. Illegals now have an excuse for not being insured:mad: