Author Topic: what does the nanny state cost us... (Read 1893 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #45 on:** May 23, 2005, 11:16:27 AM »

Damn! I was hoping to get some eyes put out because it's worth it.

indy007 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 23, 2005, 12:24:49 PM »

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Damn! I was hoping to get some eyes put out because it's worth it.

Ahh, the story behind the reason. Well, it happened to somebody I met (I want to say his name is Jeff Kraft). He was walking out to run some drills, with his angel turned on, with a 1/2 mm pull, no trigger-return spring, no trigger guard, cradled in his arm pointing at his face, loaded with paint, with the air tank valve open, no barrel plug, and his goggles pushed up over his eyes...

Normally a story like this involves real firearms & a darwin award.

iirc, he stepped over a hole, the weight of the trigger depressed the microswitch, the bounces on the switch each registered as a "pull", spitting 3 paintballs vertically across his face. I can't remember if it was shell fragments that cut up his eye or it was a detatched retina. Either way, he survived. He even returned to 20/20 vision in that eye after just a few months.

So because some moron can't follow ANY of the basic safety principles (and field rules that he signed a paper saying he read, plus insurance waivers, etc)... now alot of us get to suffer.

Arlo · « **Reply #47 on:** May 23, 2005, 12:28:52 PM »

Ouch! But still I say it goes more to promoting safety than "full experience."

But I still support less nannying over it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #48 on:** May 23, 2005, 01:33:40 PM »

Hmm... how many lives would be saved if people had to wear helmets in their cars? If head injuries are minor is cars why do they insist I wear a helmet when I race?

How bout life jackets in the pool? a thread here is about a poor kid who woulda been saved if he had been wearing a life jacket in a public pool... how bout no swimming period? that would save a lot of lives eh?

I rode for decades and never heard of anyone who was turned into a vegetable from a head injury... the guys I know who died usually did so from massive injuries. When the helmet law was passed they went to the hospital to find all these poor turnips that had been made into veggies from not wearing a helmet and now were costing us millions... they found a few turnips but no bikers... just near drowning victims who had not gooten air for a long time before recessitation.

nilsen... I am sure that with your special friends you humor is appreciated... or maybe I just have to be drunk? so tell me... how many of your wussie friends have been saved by helmets? How many have been turned into turnips cause they didn't?

quality of life is better than quantity. I am telling you that smelling a sweaty helmet that dulls your senses is very destructive to quality of riding. I never wore a helmet when I flew ultralights either...

If you crash anthing bad enough that a helmet will save your head.... the rest of your body is gonna die and take it with it anyway.

sheesh... you sissies probly wear a full body condom when you watch a porno movie.

lazs

Arlo · « **Reply #49 on:** May 23, 2005, 01:40:27 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Hmm... how many lives would be saved if people had to wear helmets in their cars? If head injuries are minor is cars why do they insist I wear a helmet when I race?

How bout life jackets in the pool? a thread here is about a poor kid who woulda been saved if he had been wearing a life jacket in a public pool... how bout no swimming period? that would save a lot of lives eh?

I rode for decades and never heard of anyone who was turned into a vegetable from a head injury... the guys I know who died usually did so from massive injuries. When the helmet law was passed they went to the hospital to find all these poor turnips that had been made into veggies from not wearing a helmet and now were costing us millions... they found a few turnips but no bikers... just near drowning victims who had not gooten air for a long time before recessitation.

nilsen... I am sure that with your special friends you humor is appreciated... or maybe I just have to be drunk? so tell me... how many of your wussie friends have been saved by helmets? How many have been turned into turnips cause they didn't?

quality of life is better than quantity. I am telling you that smelling a sweaty helmet that dulls your senses is very destructive to quality of riding. I never wore a helmet when I flew ultralights either...

If you crash anthing bad enough that a helmet will save your head.... the rest of your body is gonna die and take it with it anyway.

sheesh... you sissies probly wear a full body condom when you watch a porno movie.

lazs

The more you post, the more obvious your head injuries become.

lazs2 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 23, 2005, 01:53:39 PM »

arlo... I have never had a head injury except broken noses and such. You guys are the ones who claim to be the experts on head injuries and know about the secret hospitals full of brain dead bikers that the women you voted for have saved the rest of us from becoming.

How many turnips per capita in the states that have helmet laws compared to those states that let the rider decide? How much is the helmet law saving in money and lives? Is the accident rate up in the states that make people wear helmets so that they are vison and hearing impaired?

Putting a wood floor in my kitchen. just realized I am not wearing safety glasses and my skillsaw doesn't have a child safety trigger! I even wired up the guard for a few cuts!

shore starting when taking off on one waterski is the way to go... it's illegal now.

Where exactly do you girls draw the line? do you even have a line?

Why did you even move out of your moms house?

lazs

Arlo · « **Reply #51 on:** May 23, 2005, 02:18:49 PM »

Can you, like, take a prozac or sumpin'? Cramp pills? That time of month already? Secret hospital? Not so much. LOL Thinking he was transferred to Baptist or Methodist in Memphis from the base. I fully support your freedom, dontcha get it? If you managed to dodge the Darwin factor to date, I think that's great too. Who love's ya, baby? But yeah ... wear a condum in the sewer, dude. Well ... just a suggestion. Ain't tryin' to infringe yer freedom.

Curval · « **Reply #52 on:** May 23, 2005, 02:36:33 PM »

Stop oppressing lazs Arlo.

Arlo · « **Reply #53 on:** May 23, 2005, 02:39:15 PM »

Neh. We're buddies. I think.

Nilsen · « **Reply #54 on:** May 23, 2005, 03:04:16 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
nilsen... I am sure that with your special friends you humor is appreciated... or maybe I just have to be drunk? so tell me... how many of your wussie friends have been saved by helmets? How many have been turned into turnips cause they didn't?

I'm not sure lazs, but I don't think any of my special friends have been in any serious accidents. I hope not.

They are prolly so special tho that I would not know the difference.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 23, 2005, 04:11:39 PM »

Lazs, I agree it takes away from the experience. I also agree 100% that it should be a person's right to decide whether to use the "protection" of a helmet (unless they are underage). Luckily, Hawaii allows me that choice as an adult (although they still require seatbelts, I dont know how they justify that one). However, when I ride now I DO wear a helmet, because if I dont I give my wife a coronary. And I admit, its probably safer. But as for the expense of it all, she has it in writing if I get vegetablized in an accident, to pull the plug. Thats my risk, one I'm willing to take. I dont risk it so much anymore, for her sake, but again thats a choice I made.

bj229r · « **Reply #56 on:** May 23, 2005, 06:20:36 PM »

One more thin I didnt think of earlier-- Most states require helmets, but have ****e to say about any other riding attire--road rash from dumarse 21 year-olds with crotch-rockets leads to HEAP higher bills than the relative-few with head injuries---Non-riders always wonder why biker-types wear leather: ever hit pavement with shorts and a pair of flip-flops, they would no longer wonder:(

lazs2 · « **Reply #57 on:** May 24, 2005, 09:43:10 AM »

seriously guys... there just aren't any bikers being spoon fed your tax dollars hidden away in state hospitals. If you get a bad enough head injury you die. If you don't die your insurance pays... Most of the "bikers" are middle aged accountants or kids these days... the accountants have insurance and the kids will allways figure out a way to end up in the hospital even without ever seeing a motorcycle..

I wear a helmet racing cars but didn't used to when we weren't required... probly still wouldn't but it takes very little away from drag racing or autocross. I wear hearing protection and at least sunglasses when I shoot but have been known to not... Nowdays I can't see for crap anyway up close so have to wear glasses to shoot anyway.

I allways rode with sunglasses. I don't like getting hit in the eye by a rock or a bug.

It doesn't cost the states without helmet laws any more than it does the ones that don't except for tax revenue on helmets.

I wear seatbelts if they are lap ones but won't wear the ones that come in new cars. Both my old cars have lap belts but in the Lincoln I just go retro and do without em. Lap belts have never bothered me so I use em... I still don't think there should be a law requiring them tho.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** May 24, 2005, 09:51:35 AM »

I gutted the "novelty" helmet I bought and use a baseball cap for a liner (like the marines did in WWII).. it works fine and at about a dozen ounces the stupid thing is not much worse than wearing a baseball cap... but I never wear those either..

I have gotten a few tickets for no seatbelt. Good thing is that so many sheep are complying these days that they don't even check for em much anymore... they don't seem to be looking.

The cop that gave me the last ticket asked why I wasn't wearing my seatbelt. I said I didn't like the crappy cross the chest ones in the new cars... He said "too confineing?" I told him that he could write that down if it made him feel better. He said that a full body cast was "confineing" too.

I told him that A full body cast discomfort only lasts like 6 months tops but a new car "cross your heart" seatbelt is a lifetime of anoying.

Seriously... anyone here really ever get used to the seatbelts they put in cars these days?

lazs

Arlo · « **Reply #59 on:** May 24, 2005, 10:26:05 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
... seriously guys... there just aren't any bikers being spoon fed your tax dollars hidden away in state hospitals. If you get a bad enough head injury you die. If you don't die your insurance pays... Most of the "bikers" are middle aged accountants or kids these days...

Mmmmmmright. What I remembered happening to someone didn't happen because you didn't want it to.

I not only support your right to ride without a helmet, I support your right to chainsmoke filterless cigs, have unprotected sex with prostitutes, inject dangerous drugs into your veins and wave guns at the cops.

How much more accomodating can I be here?